Abortion, are you for it or against it?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Are you for abortion, or against it? Why?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I'll kick it off. I don't support abortion. It's not the childs fault that they came about, and they shouldn't have to die because their existence is inconvenient.

[Chicokid]

I see you have been reading my post ;)

Anyways, 100% against it. Abortion is murder. The bible says life beings when the egg meets the sprem plus science has proven that learning can take place before a child is born. Can you imagine how many lives taken are potential leaders or persons that could make a valuable contribution to society.

[Bahama Mama]

I'll kick it off. I don't support abortion. It's not the childs fault that they came about, and they shouldn't have to die because their existence is inconvenient.


I feel that abortion is absolutely acceptable when the mothers health is at grave risk to carry her child to term, and in cases of rape. In cases of unplanned pregnancies, thats a very grey area. As they say accidents do happen (condoms break), though every conceiveable caution asides from abstinence was taken. I dont feel a woman should be forced to bring a child into this world that she is unable to care for. If you cant feed yourself how you can possibly feed another himan being.

SOme may say adoption is another route, but that 9 months can be hell both physically and emotionally on a mother who has no intentions on keeping the child and caring for it. I am very split on this topic, because I personally would be scared to death to have one, but scared to keep the baby at the same time, at least in my present situation.

[Leina]

I feel that abortion is absolutely acceptable when the mothers health is at grave risk to carry her child to term, and in cases of rape. In cases of unplanned pregnancies, thats a very grey area. As they say accidents do happen (condoms break), though every conceiveable caution asides from abstinence was taken. I dont feel a woman should be forced to bring a child into this world that she is unable to care for. If you cant feed yourself how you can possibly feed another himan being.

SOme may say adoption is another route, but that 9 months can be hell both physically and emotionally on a mother who has no intentions on keeping the child and caring for it. I am very split on this topic, because I personally would be scared to death to have one, but scared to keep the baby at the same time, at least in my present situation.

no matter what the circumstances are it is still murder. and i believe that the mother shud have a choice in keeping her child at times especially if if the mother is a teenager the father or her family might force her to have an abortion i don't think that is right. the baby has a right to live if you can't care for it give it up for adoption, God will provide for you and that child so there is no reason to violate his standards

[Bahama Mama]

no matter what the circumstances are it is still murder. and i believe that the mother shud have a choice in keeping her child at times especially if if the mother is a teenager the father or her family might force her to have an abortion i don't think that is right. the baby has a right to live if you can't care for it give it up for adoption, God will provide for you and that child so there is no reason to violate his standards


Well I said in my one of my posts that ultimately it will be the decision of the mother, I will not force to her have an abortion and neither will I force to keep the child. She will have to grow up fast and make that decision for herself, whatever decision she makes I will support best as I can, though it may be against my own beliefs.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I dont feel a woman should be forced to bring a child into this world that she is unable to care for. If you cant feed yourself how you can possibly feed another himan being.

I believe that if you can't deal with the consequences of having sex, then don't have sex. Too many women wonder whether they can support a child after they've had their fun. Think about that before playing around.


SOme may say adoption is another route, but that 9 months can be hell both physically and emotionally on a mother who has no intentions on keeping the child and caring for it. I am very split on this topic, because I personally would be scared to death to have one, but scared to keep the baby at the same time, at least in my present situation.

In the case of rape, I still don't think abortion is justified. The child is innocent. Don't execute the child because of the crime of the father. Put it up for adoption. I'm not saying it's gonna be easy, but life is too precious just to end like that. With God you can make it through anything.

As for the cases when the mother's health is in danger, then that's where it gets muddy for me. A lot depends on the prospects for the childs survival and the seriousness of the risk to the mother. God would have to guide any decisions there.

[Bahama Mama]

I believe that if you can't deal with the consequences of having sex, then don't have sex. Too many women wonder whether they can support a child after they've had their fun. Think about that before playing around

True, but how realistic is that persons will keep sex for marriage, very low. I doubt that most women engaging in sex outside of marriage is playing around, and yes they are doing it for pleasure, but not to get pregnant, and as such will take the necessary precautions, but again accidents happen.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

True, but how realistic is that persons will keep sex for marriage, very low.
It is a reality that many people engage in sex before marriage. This does not negate the validity or soundness of abstaining until marriage. It simply points out that many people opt to take the risks associated with pre-marital sex. If they take the risk, they should deal with the consequences. Sex isn't just a joy ride, there is responsibility attached to it whether people want to admit/recognize it or not.


I doubt that most women engaging in sex outside of marriage is playing around,
Whether playing around or serious, they're still taking a risk.



and yes they are doing it for pleasure, but not to get pregnant, and as such will take the necessary precautions, but again accidents happen.

You'd be surprised at how many persons take the risk, for pleasure's sake, and don't take any precautions. And yes, even with some who take the precautions, those precautions sometimes don't work, and they get pregnant. That's the thing about risk, sometimes the consequence catches up with you.
Hence, if you can't handle the consequence, don't take the risk.

It's unfair to punish a defenceless innocent child for the mistakes and poor judgement of the parents.

[dtgo]

well i rest my case we are playing GOD in this case in taking a life ,

[chany86]

its wrong biblically, and many questions will arise, what if the baby is complicating the mother's health? what if the person was raped etc? well its still a sin if u abort the child. I rem. having someone telling me she was having an abortion. i did not object and she went rite a head doing it. maybe objecting would not have stopped her, but it ate me inside for quite a while until i learned to forgive myself. As much as her circumstances were unfortunate, my conviction taught me that God has a puspose for every life.

its still a hard pill to swallow, if u are raped or just not ready for a child and u find u have to carry it for 9 months...

[Xenocrates]

While I don't like the idea of murder of pre-born children, [censored] happens. I'm not a woman, but I can only imagine the terror of a woman who's life is ended by rape and subsequent pregnancy. It's hard to justify keeping an unwanted child in this case. I cannot support an outright ban on abortion for this reason. Women become the ultimate and final victims of the matter.

As guys, we have little say on the issue. If you're a guy, it'd be easy to step aside and say "hey, abortion is murder. The child should come to term". But none of us men have even a remotely vague bearing on the terror of rape and the ensuing excruciating pain of pregnancy, especially when the child is unwanted. Therefore, the flipside to this debate is obvious. Why bring a child into the world where no one will be there to love him in the first place? The mother will only resent the child because it wasn't borne out of love. Don't even mention adoption. That takes time.

While I agree with the context of sexual abstinence before marriage, that's not the only thing worth considering on the issue. For those women who can bring an unwanted child to term... more power to them. However, it doesn't become muddy to me if her life is in jeopardy because of the forced pregnancy. That's neither fair to the woman nor the unwanted child.

The argument about it being life even in the womb is as flacid as saying that someone on life support in a persistive vegetative state is worth keeping alive. That sounds a lot like growing plants to me - a very expensive plant at that. It's not like a cell that dies has a judgement to face. A living cell is not sentient unto itself. Sentience is the justification of the preservation of life in such cases. Before the child develops and comes to term as a sentient being, it's nothing more than an organic machine. It's a harsh observation, but it's a fact.

[AngelsKiss]

While I don't like the idea of murder of pre-born children, [censored] happens. I'm not a woman, but I can only imagine the terror of a woman who's life is ended by rape and subsequent pregnancy. It's hard to justify keeping an unwanted child in this case. I cannot support an outright ban on abortion for this reason. Women become the ultimate and final victims of the matter.

As guys, we have little say on the issue. If you're a guy, it'd be easy to step aside and say "hey, abortion is murder. The child should come to term". But none of us men have even a remotely vague bearing on the terror of rape and the ensuing excruciating pain of pregnancy, especially when the child is unwanted. Therefore, the flipside to this debate is obvious. Why bring a child into the world where no one will be there to love him in the first place? The mother will only resent the child because it wasn't borne out of love. Don't even mention adoption. That takes time.

While I agree with the context of sexual abstinence before marriage, that's not the only thing worth considering on the issue. For those women who can bring an unwanted child to term... more power to them. However, it doesn't become muddy to me if her life is in jeopardy because of the forced pregnancy. That's neither fair to the woman nor the unwanted child.

The argument about it being life even in the womb is as flacid as saying that someone on life support in a persistive vegetative state is worth keeping alive. That sounds a lot like growing plants to me - a very expensive plant at that. It's not like a cell that dies has a judgement to face. A living cell is not sentient unto itself. Sentience is the justification of the preservation of life in such cases. Before the child develops and comes to term as a sentient being, it's nothing more than an organic machine. It's a harsh observation, but it's a fact.

Thank goodness for ppl who realised that life isn't black and white.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

The argument about it being life even in the womb is as flacid as saying that someone on life support in a persistive vegetative state is worth keeping alive. That sounds a lot like growing plants to me - a very expensive plant at that. It's not like a cell that dies has a judgement to face. A living cell is not sentient unto itself. Sentience is the justification of the preservation of life in such cases. Before the child develops and comes to term as a sentient being, it's nothing more than an organic machine. It's a harsh observation, but it's a fact.

Scientists use the following characteristics to determine whether something is alive:

# Living things are made of cells.
# Living things obtain and use energy.
# Living things grow and develop.
# Living things reproduce.
# Living things respond to their environment.
# Living things adapt to their environment.

From what I learned in sicence class in school, if it breathes, moves and excretes, it's alive.

Have you ever seen a live ultrasound of a child developing in the womb and reacting to it's environment? It is undoubtabely alive.

[Cocoa]

Are you for abortion, or against it? Why?Against it because it is the deliberate taking of one's life. I believe once the embryo is a heart beat it is a life. So it shouldn't be done. I've seen some severe cases though like rape, unwanted pregnancies etc, where they have done abortion and even until now....in such cases it leaves a :icon_ques in my mind as to the ethics of it. So I am still thinking :eusa_thin

[Xenocrates]

BCK - Being alive is not the same thing as being sentient. Furthermore, if my wife or daughter was raped and she was impregnated in the process, I couldn't bear to see her sit through the pregnancy, in tears and in pain, to bring the child to birth. Ask any woman who has ever had a child to explain to you what it feels like to bring a kid into this world. It's not a nice experience. Why force women to subject themselves to 9 months of unwanted torture? Isn't that the height of cruelty? She's already suffered. Why extend it for another 9 months?

It think it is unethical to force a rape victim to bring a child to term because it is deemed murder. She was raped. Forcing her to bring the child to term is the same as rubbing salt in her wounds. There's nothing ethical about rape or its ensuing consequences. Switch places with a pregnant rape victim for 9 months and you might change your mind. ;)

[Arch_Angel]

But you can go to a doctor and clean out the inside or wash out the sperm before the process actually starts. You don't have to be killing anything. Just do this after being attacked. Maybe upto a week.

(I'm no doctor so don't quote me)

[AngelsKiss]

But you can go to a doctor and clean out the inside or wash out the sperm before the process actually starts. You don't have to be killing anything. Just do this after being attacked. Maybe upto a week.

(I'm no doctor so don't quote me)
This shouldnt be a laughing matter but the way you put make me thing of someone spraying hose into you know where:D

[Xenocrates]

LMAO

Sir Arch, if she washes out, they won't have any evidence with which to catch the rapist. Even if the sperm fertilizes an egg, it's still primordial soup. It can still dash weh. ;)

A friend of mine said I should keep my response short. :D

[AngelsKiss]

LMAO

Sir Arch, if she washes out, they won't have any evidence with which to catch the rapist. Even if the sperm fertilizes an egg, it's still primordial soup. It can still dash weh. ;)

A friend of mine said I should keep my response short. :D
Now why would any one want you to keep it short?:)

[AngelsKiss]

On a serious note tho, AA it's not as simple as you make it sound. Plus do you know how fast those swimmers travel?

[Xenocrates]

And I don't see the logic of giving such supernal recognition to cells. 300 million of them show up for a job interview and only one of them will get the job. Do you realise that everytime that you procreate, 299,999,999 guys die? It's worse if you're not procreating!

If that tiny cell is sentient, then the very act of Sex is murder! Scratch murder... GENOCIDE! Not even Hitler killed that many people in the Holocaust!

[Bahama Mama]

I have to agree with Xeno. Imagine the nightmare of being raped, defiled, and humiliated, add on top of that an unwanted pregnacny as a result. How much is one living human being to tolerate. Though the child is absolutely innocent, he or she is in itself a reminder and will always be a reminder of the terrible ordeal that their mother suffered. No one should be forced to relive that memory every time they look at their own child. It is neither fair to the mother or the child.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

BCK - Being alive is not the same thing as being sentient.
This may be so, but if that life has already began the process of becoming sentient, then I think it's still worth saving.


Furthermore, if my wife or daughter was raped and she was impregnated in the process, I couldn't bear to see her sit through the pregnancy, in tears and in pain, to bring the child to birth.

So lemme ask you this, if your wife or daughter felt tortured and were in tears and pain because they felt they couldn't bear to sit through life with you, would killing you be justified simply based on their emotional state? Is it justified when all you did was just be there when it was someone else who hurt them?

Making life and death decisions based purely on emotions is a dangerous and error prone approach.

Rape is terrible, yes, but women have been raped, concieved, and given birth. Women have survived it. Some grow to actually love the child. Some give it up for adoption. It would take strength and support, but it is possible to manage the emotions and heal.

Ending a life is irreversible by humans.



Ask any woman who has ever had a child to explain to you what it feels like to bring a kid into this world. It's not a nice experience. Why force women to subject themselves to 9 months of unwanted torture? Isn't that the height of cruelty? She's already suffered. Why extend it for another 9 months?

Boss, you speak like you've really never seen pregancy first hand. It is not typically 9 months of torture. Yes, there is usually discomfort, and this varies in intensity and duration depending upon the woman. Some women don't even know they are pregnant until they are advanced. Some love the experience.
Typically after the first 3 months, the nausea is gone, and many women feel quite radiant and full of energy.

I can understand that with a rape victim, psychologically and emotionally, a pregnancy would be a serious challenge, but that is not due soley to the pregnancy itself.


It think it is unethical to force a rape victim to bring a child to term because it is deemed murder. She was raped. Forcing her to bring the child to term is the same as rubbing salt in her wounds.

It's unethical to kill a developing child because of the emotional challenges of the mother. Killing the innocent child is like killing the innocent child.


There's nothing ethical about rape or its ensuing consequences.

Nobody is defending rape. It is an abominable act. However, the life that may result from it, is as precious as yours and mine.


Switch places with a pregnant rape victim for 9 months and you might change your mind. ;)

Switch places with the developing innocent child, then imagine that you have the knowledge (suspend your disbelief for a moment) that you will be aborted because your father raped your mother and you were the product. You might change your mind. ;)

[ramesh]

Scientists use the following characteristics to determine whether something is alive:

# Living things are made of cells.
# Living things obtain and use energy.
# Living things grow and develop.
# Living things reproduce.
# Living things respond to their environment.
# Living things adapt to their environment.

From what I learned in sicence class in school, if it breathes, moves and excretes, it's alive. Something about this makes me think of plants. Is the killing of weeds or chopping of trees murder? According to the above trees and plants are alive too.

I may seem to be going off topic, but when does a murder actually take place? When we kill a human being, when we kill a fetus, when we kill human cells, when we kill animals or animal cells, or when we kill any living thing, like fruits and plants? Is there a dividing line that says, anything more than this is murder? :eusa_thin

[Arch_Angel]

Angel_Kiss, I wasn't trying to make it simple. I have a friend who was raped. And further down the road of life, her so called "male" friends took advantage of her.

Although it was difficult she went to the doctor who "cleaned" her out. I don't know the proper name of the procedure, or what is exactly done, but I know it's done. In simple terms, the doctor washes you out. A lot of blood also comes out.

So you don't have to do an abortion if women who were victims of rape of whatever the situation go in early.

[AngelsKiss]

Angel_Kiss, I wasn't trying to make it simple. I have a friend who was raped. And further down the road of life, her so called "male" friends took advantage of her.

Although it was difficult she went to the doctor who "cleaned" her out. I don't know the proper name of the procedure, or what is exactly done, but I know it's done. In simple terms, the doctor washes you out. A lot of blood also comes out.

So you don't have to do an abortion if women who were victims of rape of whatever the situation go in early.

AA...I am not sure what process your friend went thru, but if the person has been rape, the first thing they do is take a sample for the various testing for the court case.

They alss test for HIV and other transmitted disease and they do a test for pregnancy. As far as I know they don't need to "wash any one out" to prevent pregnancy. What they do instead is give you what is known as emergency contraceptive and it is not 100% guaranteed that it will work.

BTW one of the things most ppl need to realise is that many rape victims do not report the rape right away due to shame, which is why it may lead to pregnancy.

I may not support abortion but I am not going to come down on any one who does it. We need to be able to walk in someone else's shoe before we can speak. Life is full of twist and turns and we can say that ppl shouldn't to this or not do that but things happen and sometimes ppl react in a way they think may be right for them. I say let God be their Judge!

[Xenocrates]

This may be so, but if that life has already began the process of becoming sentient, then I think it's still worth saving.

- I disagree. Beginning the process of sentience != sentience. Cells are cells. The reason why abortionists are so outraged is because, just like stem cells, an embryo is connected to human life. Humans fear being reduced to simple animals like the rest of the kingdom. The truth of the matter is that we are simple animals. Our significance is no more important than the other beasts that roam the land.

An embryo has no memory, no consciousness, no interactive capabilities - nothing. It's an organic machine that reacts to stimulation - just like all the other non sentient machines in the biosphere. Stimulating an unborn child with music or talking only causes chemical and subsequently, organic reactivity inside the machine. The foremost of these, is the development of synapses in the brain. Ask your wife and she'll tell you: You can stimulate certain parts of the cerebral cortex in a corpse with electricity and it will set off motor functions in the limbs. Does this mean that the corpse is intelligent? Hardly. It just means it's a machine. Humans just have a problem accepting that they're nothing more than ghosts in a shell.


So lemme ask you this, if your wife or daughter felt tortured and were in tears and pain because they felt they couldn't bear to sit through life with you, would killing you be justified simply based on their emotional state? Is it justified when all you did was just be there when it was someone else who hurt them?

- Nice try. But this argument fails, because unlike an embryo, I'm sentient. I am conscious and aware. An embryo is a vegetate until it becomes conscious and aware.


Making life and death decisions based purely on emotions is a dangerous and error prone approach.

- I agree. But you're not making the decision based on emotions only. It involves a great deal of logic. I think it is cruel to force a woman to keep the child that will remind her of her sexual abuse. Man to man, you're not going to tell me that if your wife was raped, that it wouldn't affect you emotionally dude. You're being very calm and collected right now. Being in the situation might bring on an onset of completely new emotions. Trust me. ;)

[More to come...]

[Xenocrates]

Rape is terrible, yes, but women have been raped, concieved, and given birth. Women have survived it. Some grow to actually love the child. Some give it up for adoption. It would take strength and support, but it is possible to manage the emotions and heal.

- One woman is not every woman. Just because some women have been able to do it doesn't mean that every woman is warranted to follow suite. I know one man who loved his wife so much, that after seeing her go through the pain of bringing their only child into the world, he swore he would never get her pregnant again. 23 years of marriage later, and he has kept his promise. When you see the woman you love in torturous pain, your natural male instinct is to end that pain as quickly as possible. We men were hardwired to love our women like that. It doesn't make you a murderer or completely irreverent of life.

I don't know if you have kids - but seeing the one woman you love going through the pain of childbirth does things to you. I don't have kids of my own (I prefer to be married first), but I know so many free-spirited unsettled guys who've been completely changed by seeing their wife/girlfriend give birth. I've even seen men who've chosen to abort a child to save their wife's life. Is that murder? If he let her die, wouldn't that be closer to murder than letting an unconscious being come to term?

In fact, here's a thought for a new thread: If you had the choice of letting your wife live, or letting an unborn infant live, which would you choose?


Ending a life is irreversible by humans.

- But it doesn't mean that every instance of ending life is necessarily wrong. How many mosquitoes have you killed since you were alive? ;)


Boss, you speak like you've really never seen pregancy first hand. It is not typically 9 months of torture. Yes, there is usually discomfort, and this varies in intensity and duration depending upon the woman. Some women don't even know they are pregnant until they are advanced. Some love the experience.

- Au contraire mon ami, it's because I've seen it first hand why I speak the way I do. ;) If my future wife wants to have multiple kids, I'll roll with it and support her during the gestation periods. However, when a woman is pregnant, it should be borne out of love, not a violent act. Have you ever seen a woman that was impregnated by rape? Everyday of that gestation period is torturous, because it's a constant reminder. It's like she's constantly trying to awake from a terrible nightmare. That's torture.

[Xenocrates]

- Exactly my point. You know that women are emotional creatures. It's their god given right. The pain she feels during pregnancy is not always physiological. This is especially true for rape victims.


It's unethical to kill a developing child because of the emotional challenges of the mother. Killing the innocent child is like killing the innocent child.

- Killing an embryo is like killing cells on your tongue by drinking a hot beverage too quickly. I guess that's unethical too. As I said before, the problem here is that we attach too much significance to organic compounds to make rational decisions at times. Otherwise, I might as well have a funeral for every blade of grass that I've killed by trampling them on my lawn.


Nobody is defending rape. It is an abominable act. However, the life that may result from it, is as precious as yours and mine.

- That's a decision only the unfortunate mother can make. My and your mother brought us to term out of love. If either of our mothers were raped, they have no justifiable reason for bringing us to term. Wherewithall is our preciousness if there is no love? We are far more insignificantly fragile than you give us credit for. Even the Bible said it. We are just a vapour that waits to pass away.

The only thing that gives us humans any credence of existential superiority over any other form of life on this planet is our cognitive sentience. Without it, we are just as insignificant as mosquitoes. The death of an embryo has no significance if it has no conscious bearing on things like morality. How do you judge an embryo in the afterlife, if it never made a decision? :eusa_thin

[Xenocrates]

Switch places with the developing innocent child, then imagine that you have the knowledge (suspend your disbelief for a moment) that you will be aborted because your father raped your mother and you were the product. You might change your mind. ;)

- And here lies the fundamental problem. I can't suspend belief even for a fraction of a second. The very fact that you require me to suspend belief is proof of my point. An embryo is not conscious of anything. It knows nothing. It can feel nothing. It can fear nothing. It can sense nothing. It can love nothing. It can't become excited about anything. As such, it can't even be terrified of loosing it's existence. Indeed, it is not even aware of its own existence. Like I said before, an embryo is nothing more than a highly complex cell.

Being terrified of death requires cognitive sentience. This is my point. Until a lifeform is cognitively sentient, it is just an organic machine. Look at how we cut flowers (inevitably killing them) to give to our women. Out of love, we kill another form of life. It's the same thing in a woman that is raped. Out of love, we sacrifice one life to end her suffering, just as how we sacrifice a life to make her happy. Killing a rose and killing an embryo amount to practically the same thing - unless ofcourse, the next time you give your girl a rose, it's in a pot with damp soil and plant food. :icon_mrgr

Don't get me wrong BCK, I am vehemently against abortion of infants borne out of illegitimate sex of any kind. In fact, I am opposed to abortion once the act that brought the infant to be was not unsolicited. But one must be rational an make an exception for rape. Rape is a dire exception to the rule.

Y'know, on a side note, it's fascinating how we men are willing to kill to please our women. Kinda makes you wonder if this is indeed a man's world afterall. :eusa_thin Maybe we're mislead into thinking that way. Our ego is lying to us... LMA:icon_mrgr

[Manu]

I don't know.....
Here's my take on it:

If a woman is raped....or any other special circumstances.....if she wishes to have an abortion...I think she should. I don't think it should be forced upon her.

I don't think a pregnancy should be terminated pimarily due to the irresponsibilty of the "would-be" parents...i.e. lack of proper family planning strategems etc.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

- And here lies the fundamental problem. I can't suspend belief even for a fraction of a second. The very fact that you require me to suspend belief is proof of my point. An embryo is not conscious of anything. It knows nothing. It can feel nothing. It can fear nothing. It can sense nothing. It can love nothing. It can't become excited about anything. As such, it can't even be terrified of loosing it's existence. Indeed, it is not even aware of its own existence. Like I said before, an embryo is nothing more than a highly complex cell.

In my view X, the fact that the developing human child does not yet possess all the cognitive abilities of a fully developed person, doesn't lessen the value of it's life in my view. I look at it as just another stage of human life - just as important as the rest. Once the sperm and the egg have come together and there is implantation, I think that's the start of the human life.



Don't get me wrong BCK, I am vehemently against abortion of infants borne out of illegitimate sex of any kind. In fact, I am opposed to abortion once the act that brought the infant to be was not unsolicited. But one must be rational an make an exception for rape. Rape is a dire exception to the rule.

I understand the concerns about rape. It's not an easy thing. Bear with me for a moment while I try to explain my take on this thing...

Do you remember in the wizard of Oz where Dorothy was told not to deviate from the yellow brick road, no matter what, or she would get lost? I think that when it comes to making difficult choices, it's the same thing. God set a path before us, and if we stay on that path, the end result will be very good. If we deviate from the path, the consequences can be terrible. There are many things which attempt to distract us from the path daily. Some of these things may even seem quite logical, and rational, and may appear to make even better sense than the path God set before us. But it's an illusion. In the end, deviating from the path results in misery.

God gives life. God is the only entity with the right to decide whether a life should end, since He is the giver of it. I would rather hold to the principle of preserving as much as possible, than terminating a life, because of the perceived suffering that life may cause just by existing (and not because of any malicious intent by that life). If there is even a risk that an action may go against what God want's, I'd rather not take it. There is much debate on whether a developing foetus really qualifies as "life" or as a "person" and whether aborting it constitutes "murder", so one could take the view that there is some level of uncertainty about those questions. Hence having an abortion is taking a risk that you really would be commiting murder. I'd rather not take that risk if I were in that position.

It is possible to deal with the psychological and emotional aftermath of rape and pregnancy from the rape, but that aborted life cannot be brought back.

[ramesh]

Yes, but the Wizard of Oz turned out to be a phony, didn't he?

[Manu]

I saw a video on BET this morning. It's called "Can I Live?" by Nick Cannon. He basically took the setting back to when his mother got pregant with him and wanted to have an abortion... in the end he was hugging her mother and she was crying....
It was on access granted so when the camera stopped rolling....it was a somber moment. His mother hugging him and crying. Such a stirring scene. Look how good he has turned out? A solid investment. He is now able to take care of her. As I said before, a child should not be aborted simply because the parent doesn't want it. That child may have a vital role in our future....but there are exceptions to this rule. Suppose the mother has AIDS....or they both will die because her body can't handle the stress of pregnancy let alone child bearing. A cell, even in its simplest form is still able so respond to stimuli... There is no neural mass to to distinguish fear, or have a knowledge in its true sense of its surrounding but it is still able to respond to it's environment, hence it can feel. These simple responses are what help us to be survive anyways. Life begins at conception....not 3 months after.

[Evil_eyez]

I am one that supports abortion. I feel its a women's right to do what she wants with her body. what's the sense of having a baby when you cant even support yourself.
Many people would say that they want their child to have more than they had. So if they cant do that especially in certain situations abortion can be an option.
Some would say give the child up for adoption, but when you really look at it this child has been in the womb for 9 month, even if you didnt want the child in the first place one develops an attachment to the unborn. So adoption would kinda be as hard as optioning for an abortion.
And for those who use the bible as a defense, then it should be left between that women and god and she shouldn't be a victim of other people's discrimination.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I am one that supports abortion. I feel its a women's right to do what she wants with her body.
It's not just her body that needs to be considered, it is also the life of the child growing in her body.



what's the sense of having a baby when you cant even support yourself.
Then abstain from sex, or use birth control. Why take the risk if you know you can't deal with it?



Many people would say that they want their child to have more than they had. So if they cant do that especially in certain situations abortion can be an option.Some would say give the child up for adoption, but when you really look at it this child has been in the womb for 9 month, even if you didnt want the child in the first place one develops an attachment to the unborn. So adoption would kinda be as hard as optioning for an abortion.

The decision to take a life should be more difficult than the decision to pass on the care of that life, to persons more capable of dealing with it. Either way, you wont have to take care of the child, so why not choose the option that preserves life?



And for those who use the bible as a defense, then it should be left between that women and god and she shouldn't be a victim of other people's discrimination.

Nobody here has advocated discrimination against those who chose to have abortions. Ultimately each individual will have to face the consequences of their decisions and actions when God delivers judgement. We humans can't judge, but we can observe and identify those things which are contrary to God's word and teachings. We also have a responsibility to share that knowledge with others.

[Leina]

It's not just her body that needs to be considered, it is also the life of the child growing in her body.


Then abstain from sex, or use birth control. Why take the risk if you know you can't deal with it?



The decision to take a life should be more difficult than the decision to pass on the care of that life, to persons more capable of dealing with it. Either way, you wont have to take care of the child, so why not choose the option that preserves life?



Nobody here has advocated discrimination against those who chose to have abortions. Ultimately each individual will have to face the consequences of their decisions and actions when God delivers judgement. We humans can't judge, but we can observe and identify those things which are contrary to God's word and teachings. We also have a responsibility to share that knowledge with others.

BCK you couldn't have put it any better

[eramik86]

I would only support abortion if it was a child that was sexually abused. Everybody else should deal with it.....even if they were raped.

[Bahama Mama]

I would only support abortion if it was a child that was sexually abused. Everybody else should deal with it.....even if they were raped.


Wow deal with it, such compassion for a rape victim. BTW sexual abuse of kids is considered rape as well.

[gucci man]

abortion is taking someone's life. But where does life begin?

is it at the Zygote? or even at the Gametes?

[Manu]

abortion is taking someone's life. But where does life begin?

is it at the Zygote? or even at the Gametes?


Life begins at conception....i.e. FERTILISATION....not even implantation.....FERTILISATION!!!!!

[Xiao]

I think this is a fitting bump since a state in the United States just passed a ban on abortion.
My opinion-I am all for abortion.
Everytime birth control is used technically an abortion is taking place.
How can the United States FDA pass a drug like the morning after pill and then ban abortion. Is really makes little sense I am sure South Dakota has not banned this pill.
Victims of rape, incest and the like especially have need for abortions.

[hotangel]

i think it should be legalised,because it is being practiced already (illegally) and besides if a woman decided that she doesn't want to have a child she should have the right to choose.

[Twinkie]

Ramie....murder a murder you hear!

[KriTikaL]

dependz on the circunstances reli... if ur raped i think you should be able to whereas ppl who don't wanna buy contraceptive (much like sandra) get pregnant on their own account and gotta deal with the consequences of their stupid horny actions...

[easyskanka]

If we believe in the bible and accept it implicitly as God's Word, then we cannot support abortion. Not everything contained in the bible is to be always taken literally, but I do think that the overwhelming evidence would say that prevention is better than any possible cures.True, some things are unforeseen but we have the capacity to lean on our creator and find the acceptable way out that won't displease him. I know this type of arguament won't win the day in this world as things presently stand, but God's will, will be done soon enough. Until then the truth must be spoken regardless of the offence it will undoubtedly cause.

We always find ourselves in all manner of dilemmas which brings us back to original sin. Nothing is impossible for God to heal and find a way out of, even death itself. If we had enough faith and trust in God, though we should lose life itself through natural causes or deliberate acts of violence, we can be brought back again. That was the whole purpose of why our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ came here.There is an instance where even the wasted semen of a man who did'nt want to father his brother's child was displeasing to God, who promptly put him to death. God no longer takes that abrupt route when we do wrong, but the ultimate outcome will be the same if we are unrepentant for the wrongs that we commit. And we should not do what is displeasing to God in the first instance because we image that we can always seek forgiveness. That is to take God as an imbecile,which he most definitely is not, niether could he ever become one.

King David also wrote about the foetus in the mothers womb and how God places great sanctity on life before actual BIRTH TAKES place. According to David: All the parts are down in writing from the moment of conception. Imperfection in limb or mentally deficient, God will sort it all out in his own time. And he has also given man a lot of ability to help each other without the termination of life itself.

[easyskanka]

Improvements In Neonatal Care:

The leader of the Roman Catholic church in England and Wales is due to ask ministers to lower the 24-week limit on abortion.

He is expected to argue that technological advances are helping babies to survive at an earlier age making the current laws outdated.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5101318.stm

[nester-san]

Pro-Life but I believe in Pro-Choice.