Problems with CaribYard

[Manu]

Ok now Chris and the moderators....this is not a personal stab at any single one of you.

I've been talking to members of these forums off air and I know you guys always asked me for names and I always refuse so I'm starting a thread so that people who are brave enough to voice their problems, may do so here in a civic and cordial manner and I will also ask/challenge the mods not to close this thread.


There seems to be a growing feeling among participants where some enforcement of rules are concerned. People are losing their vibes because of how the moderators go about doing their jobs. Most of it was highlighted in this (http://www.caribyard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16&highlight=top5jamaica) thread. As you know, the forums are nothing without the members...case in point...look how long CY was stagnant until people started to participate. I think it is a matter that should be addressed and looked in to as it can only better the experience here by the posters. I hope guys out there who share similar views will also put in their 2 cents!

[AngelsKiss]

Ok now Chris and the moderators....this is not a personal stab at any single one of you.

I've been talking to members of these forums off air and I know you guys always asked me for names and I always refuse so I'm starting a thread so that people who are brave enough to voice their problems, may do so here in a civic and cordial manner and I will also ask/challenge the mods not to close this thread.


There seems to be a growing feeling among participants where some enforcement of rules are concerned. People are losing their vibes because of how the moderators go about doing their jobs. Most of it was highlighted in this (http://www.caribyard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16&highlight=top5jamaica) thread. As you know, the forums are nothing without the members...case in point...look how long CY was stagnant until people started to participate. I think it is a matter that should be addressed and looked in to as it can only better the experience here by the posters. I hope guys out there who share similar views will also put in their 2 cents!


Manu it's not that ppl don't voice their opinions, I sure do, I just choose to do it in pm so not to cause further problems. However, may be this is what needs to be done.

[Manu]

Yeah I used to do it through PMs but I think a healthy discussion on the topic might produce favorable results as they only SEEM to be dealing with the issues on a one-to-one basis.

[Manu]

I feel like a fish out of water...only one person has responded. Oh well.....I'll give the thread a week....if no responses...then I'll close it!

[MiTcHiE]

Yeah I used to do it through PMs but I think a healthy discussion on the topic might produce favorable results as they only SEEM to be dealing with the issues on a one-to-one basis.
Isnt one and one better than in the public forum?

[Manu]

Not necessarily Mr. Mitchie... I just hope the others will come out of their closets man...sheesh!

[Cocoa]

I don't see many problems with both site. Each site is different and has their own set of rules. In regards to CY, we all agreed to the terms and agreement when we were registering. So If there is a problem, then I think we should revisit the agreement and see if that problem falls in what we agreed to.

Example:
The Moderators reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread with or without reason or notice. Polite enquiries via the Private Messaging system will be responded to. Any form of harassment will not be tolerated and may result in banishment from the site.

Among the other rules as listed here: forum rules (http://www.caribyard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3)

Other wise, if there is an issue where we feel there is an injustice, then I think we should PM the site Admin, Chris with it so he can address it.

Don't be afraid to send a PM. We aim to please within the limits of the forum rules.

That is my 2 cents.

[Greatis]

So then since this is what it has come to give us examples of the way we do things that you feel could have been dealt with differently and how you feel it should have been dealt with then.

[Manu]

After further discussions with other members, I have come to the realization that Chris's site is not a public domain, but rather a private domain to which the public is allowed access to. It is his house and therefore his rules. It is not a democracy. If we don't like the rules, then we have the option to leave. I apologise for the inconvenience caused. This thread has outdone it's purpose and especially due to the lack of participation from the members with problems (cowards:)), it will now be closed!

[AngelsKiss]

After further discussions with other members, I have come to the realization that Chris's site is not a public domain, but rather a private domain to which the public is allowed access to. It is his house and therefore his rules. It is not a democracy. If we don't like the rules, then we have the option to leave. I apologise for the inconvenience caused. This thread has outdone it's purpose and especially due to the lack of participation from the members with problems (cowards:)), it will now be closed!
So you doing the same thing they are doing now. Closing threads simply because you think it should be closed? :)

[AngelsKiss]

Isnt one and one better than in the public forum?
No it is not, because there are other ppl with the same problems, may as well solve it one time and done with it. Not to mention that the posters don't get a choice so why should we allow the mods any? Is either that or thake a hike and believe me there are ppl who are thinking of leaving. Yes I know we can go and that no one really cares, well except Ramesh :)

[MiTcHiE]

No it is not, because there are other ppl with the same problems, may as well solve it one time and done with it. Not to mention that the posters don't get a choice so why should we allow the mods any? Is either that or thake a hike and believe me there are ppl who are thinking of leaving. Yes I know we can go and that no one really cares, well except Ramesh :)
So what if people leave? thats is what a forum is about, people come, people go. All members signed up and agreed to the terms of the site, y complain now??

[Drew]

i got no problems with the way either site is being ran. i more have a problem with the other members.

[AngelsKiss]

So what if people leave? thats is what a forum is about, people come, people go. All members signed up and agreed to the terms of the site, y complain now??
Yeah I was waiting on one of you to take this stand. I doubt many members read the terms of the site or even remember them.

That's the problem this whole dictatorship attitude! Do as you are told or else leave...why am I not surprise?

[Manu]

Aw bwoy....Greatis...close the thread nuh??????? Or any other mod.....please!!!!

[Manu]

Well it seems as if the moderators and the Owner of the site wishes make an example of this thread by leaving it open and forcing it to go awry. I ask that you please disappoint them and post your opinions in a civil and cordial manner. Please, no flaming whatsoever. On with the discussion. At the very least, the thread will fade away into oblivion!

[Cocoa]

i got no problems with the way either site is being ran. i more have a problem with the other members.
Right which is not really a problem after I PM them and discuss it.

Any forum you go on they have rules, restrictions and members that are a pain trust me. But we deal with each case in a civil manner.

[AngelsKiss]

Well it seems as if the moderators and the Owner of the site wishes make an example of this thread by leaving it open and forcing it to go awry. I ask that you please disappoint them and post your opinions in a civil and cordial manner. Please, no flaming whatsoever. On with the discussion. At the very least, the thread will fade away into oblivion!
You know you idle Manu?:)

[Chris]

Well it seems as if the moderators and the Owner of the site wishes make an example of this thread by leaving it open and forcing it to go awry. I ask that you please disappoint them and post your opinions in a civil and cordial manner. Please, no flaming whatsoever. On with the discussion. At the very least, the thread will fade away into oblivion!what example you talking about? If we close a thread we get cuss, if we don't close a thread we get cuss. Can't please them all, all of the time :eusa_wall

[Manu]

what example you talking about? If we close a thread we get cuss, if we don't close a thread we get cuss. Can't please them all, all of the time :eusa_wall


I was told by a moderator that my thread will be used as an "example" and he's sorry that I'm the scapegoat;)

[Greatis]

I was told by a moderator that my thread will be used as an "example" and he's sorry that I'm the scapegoat;)

Sheesh manu star what happen to you man. Keep it nuh star. Cho yuh nuh affi tell everybody seh wha mi tell yuh cho now mi affi go close thread cause you defeat the experiment. It was an attempt to try and see how being a little more lenient would turn out cho star. :mad:

[Manu]

Sheesh manu star what happen to you man. Keep it nuh star. Cho yuh nuh affi tell everybody seh wha mi tell yuh cho now mi affi go close thread cause you defeat the experiment. It was an attempt to try and see how being a little more lenient would turn out cho star. :mad:
LOL....yes now. I never call nuh name. I throw my stone and you squealed:icon_mrgr

Why should my thread be the scapegoat? Start your own man....then my name will always be affiliated to this example??? Please......:eusa_naug

[Manu]

Mods....this (http://www.caribyard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16) is a fine example of what people have a problem with. We know you reserve the right to do as you please but I thought, as Chris stated, that this is a community and as such, courtesy is due. Can't you do things with a bit more tact? Is that such a big favor to ask?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

We welcome feedback about the site and issues concerning it. There are several avenues for this do be done. This thread in the suggestion area is one of them. There's also the private message facility, and the report-a-post feature. The "Visit Techjamaica" thread went off topic. The issues expressed there are currently (and more appropriately) being discussed in this thread, and it's counterpart on Techjamaica.com

Feel free to continue the discussion in the appropriate sections of the sites.

[Manu]

Excellent observation BCK but could you be a pal and simply move those posts here and then re-open the thread as it was started for a particular purpose in the first place. I thank you!

[Chris]

well I must say that one of the goods that has come out this poll (to date) is that 7 out of the 9 persons who voted have no problem and 1 is neutral. That looks very positive :)

[Kimberly]

well I must say that one of the goods that has come out this poll (to date) is that 7 out of the 9 persons who voted have no problem and 1 is neutral. That looks very positive :)

Which means only one person voted they dont have a problem (to date).
By my count over four persons have expressed their dissatisfaction and what does this tell us that most persons will rather post their views than vote.I am one such person,thanks for reminding me though ill vote right now.
I dont know how positive a poll can look when more than one person is expressing displeasure as it regards factors of Caribyard and TJ.

[Chris]

OK so 2/899 of you. Not bad statistics if you ask me. At least I was able to force you to vote. :) The power of persuasion :eusa_whis

[Greatis]

Ok lsten Kimberly you started off on the wrong foot by posting your issues with Techjamaica on Caribyard and it was allowed but I do ask that we refrain from mentioning any issues we have with TechJamaica on Caribyard. Caribyard is Caribyard.

Techjamaica is Techjamaica. I think the post you made here should be deleted and put on Techjamaica where it can be addressed and viewed by the members there.

[Kimberly]

I think the mistake was made when a thread entitled "Visit Techjamaica" was made on Caribyard.
If my "issue" with techjamaica was one of a positive nature im sure that you would not want it to be moved to techjamaica;as evidenced by the number of positive posts that have remained in that thread on this site.
My suggestions/criticisms only serve to enhance the TWO websites in terms of attracting target members/audiences and giving such members an increased sense of loyalty to the site.(Sincethe two sites have the same administrator and moderators.)
The intelligent administrator and moderator will take into consideration the views being expressed in my post;which represent the views of several other members.However,we have seen this already being done in regards to one suggestion.
Is this even logical therefore as the same attitude persists. Largel due to the fact that it has the same moderators.
Arent enough persons members of this site so as to facilitate the selection of different moderators?
"..Listen Kimberly.." :)
I can bet you are one of the seven moderators who voted.One senses you need a change in attitude.Remember members are you're friends not your enemy,if a website is lacking in members you would not have this "job" which you must treasure greatly.
You feel honoured to be a voice of authority of this site dont you.
Mr. Gilbert you have stated "2 out of 899" perons voted they did not like how CY and Techjamaica are being run. Have you forgotten that my posted was posted on CY and it mostly concerns the problems of TJ.This site has few problems (however it does have problems) whereas TJ has many therefore it is not unusual that many people are going to vote No.
In my opinion instead of ACTING as if though I am making baseless statements I would in fact take a more humble approach.Your attitude contradicts your action of closing the off-topic section on TJ.
You and I know my suggestions stand to improve your websites and give your members an increased sense of trust and comfort.Instead of sheilding occurances to make the site seem perfect such issues should be made public so that instead of members viewing you as being more interested in techjamaica brand they will intead view you as having their best interests at heart.Perhaps you fail to realize that members make the brand and image.
I see that you are trying to engage me in an arguement of some kind as evidenced by your statement of "..the power of pursuasion" On the contrary your management skills(or lack there of),the actions and attitude of your "staff" prompted me to vote and post.
You are trying to make me seem arguementative and disruptive which is not the case.
I wont let you trick me into giving you any more suggestions for improvement and thus facilitating increased membership and acclaim.Having made too many I will now take my exit.

[Chris]

I wont let you trick me into giving you any more suggestions for improvement and thus facilitating increased membership and acclaim.Having made too many I will now take my exit.Well I wish you all the best in the next PERFECT site that you seek. I just hope that when you do (if ever) find it, you won't treat them with the same level of disdain and contempt. Let's face it, so far you've been a MEMBER here for only 2 days total with 4 posts prior to the start of this poll and yet you're so knowledgeable and opinionated of the problems with this site. You also come here and cuss about another site with all of 7 months membership, not over 2 years ;). Even though the thread originally included the name of the other site you could have done the mature thing and let it be and dis(cuss) the other site there and this one here. That wouldn't be so bad. After 2 days you're gone, what was your purpose for registering in the first place :eusa_thin ? Good bye :eusa_hand .

[Greatis]

OK Kimberly.

I can bet you are one of the seven moderators who voted.One senses you need a change in attitude.Remember members are you're friends not your enemy,if a website is lacking in members you would not have this "job" which you must treasure greatly.
You feel honoured to be a voice of authority of this site dont you.

That's an assumption I did not vote so that bet you have lost. You're idea that I need change in attitude is based on what Kimberly because I said that I would have preferred you posted you discomfort on techjamaica and not here on Caribyard. That perception is ludicrous.

Secondly don't flatter yourself with thinking that your suggestion had anything to do with the off topic section being closed. FYI. Almost all moderators including myself and Chris wanted that Off topic closed but before it was done we tried several other avenues which included removing post count. The off topic just well you already said it in your post defeated the purpose of the site.

Now it appears this is the first you are making your comments and what should happen overnight change. That's not possible. Make your suggestions about Caribyard and they will be addressed but time is needed for that to happen. Don't just open the flood gates then run away. Stand up and see if things will change. We may not necessarily believe that all your suggestions are worth doing but I do believe that you will make some that we can use. Stop being a critic without a solution. The bridge is not straight, however it could be straightened by doing .....

[Manu]

Well I wish you all the best in the next PERFECT site that you seek. I just hope that when you do (if ever) find it, you won't treat them with the same level of disdain and contempt. Let's face it, so far you've been a MEMBER here for only 2 days total with 4 posts prior to the start of this poll and yet you're so knowledgeable and opinionated of the problems with this site. You also come here and cuss about another site with all of 7 months membership, not over 2 years ;). Even though the thread originally included the name of the other site you could have done the mature thing and let it be and dis(cuss) the other site there and this one here. That wouldn't be so bad. After 2 days you're gone, what was your purpose for registering in the first place :eusa_thin ? Good bye :eusa_hand .


Chris, honestly I don't think this was a good approach by you as site manager. She has a problem and it is not an isolated experience. And the the whole good bye thing.....really not becoming :eusa_naug

I would like to continue to implore you guys to keep it civil....that goes for Kimberly too. The mods are a given :icon_mrgr.

[Chris]

Chris, honestly I don't think this was a good approach by you as site manager. She has a problem and it is not an isolated experience. And the the whole good bye thing.....really not becoming :eusa_naug
So when she says...
I wont let you trick me into giving you any more suggestions for improvement and thus facilitating increased membership and acclaim.Having made too many I will now take my exit...what are we to conclude from that? Isn't bidding her farewell the civil thing to do or do you want us to beg her to stay? You need to read my post and look into the facts.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

No long argument necessary. Those who like the site and want to stay, feel free to. Those who feel it isn't worth their time, are free to leave. We encourage feedback, but people need to recognize that the forum environment is largely dependent upon the actions of the members. It makes no sense to criticize and complain and point fingers if you have not been making a positive contribution.
People will come, and people will go. They will have different opinions. Such is life.

[shakeri]

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Liquid Bunny]

So when she says.....what are we to conclude from that? Isn't bidding her farewell the civil thing to do or do you want us to beg her to stay? You need to read my post and look into the facts.
dat me a seh to yaw Chris... u caan please em all ...

[Chris]

Anyway, we've exhausted this thread. Any future complaints must be specific issues.