Maintaining your ex-partner

[BlackCryptoKnight]

There is currently discussion in Jamaica over legislation to be passed (Maintenance Bill) which would make it possible for women to be required to maintain their ex-partners (men) just as how the men are required to maintain their ex-partners (women). It also seeks to ensure that adults take care of their parents and grandparents etc.

What you you all think about women being required to maintain their male ex-partners? Personally, I see nothing wrong with it - after all, men and women are equal and deserve equal treatment right? ;)

[pogi_2nr]

I am all for equal treatment, run di alimony payments! :eusa_danc

but for this bill being passed, they have to be married right?

[acidblade]

:eusa_clap now men can marry for money too :eusa_danc

[Gillion]

AMEN !! AMEN !! AMEN !! sombody SHOUT AMEN ?

[Bahama Mama]

Yeah, equality for all. *Runs to lawyer to make pre-nup*:eusa_shif

[Jae]

I'm not gonna bawl this down, yea men should be allowed to get money too. If you want equal rights for all, well this is just one of the things u have to put up with! It seems only fair. But I so blv strongly in pre-nup, that nah reach mi!!!

[dtgo]

:eusa_danc :eusa_danc :eusa_danc :eusa_danc :hyper:

[Chicokid]

There is currently discussion in Jamaica over legislation to be passed (Maintenance Bill) which would make it possible for women to be required to maintain their ex-partners (men) just as how the men are required to maintain their ex-partners (women). It also seeks to ensure that adults take care of their parents and grandparents etc.

What you you all think about women being required to maintain their male ex-partners? Personally, I see nothing wrong with it - after all, men and women are equal and deserve equal treatment right? ;)

I agree with this one :eusa_clap

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Some women are quite opposed to these developments. They're quite upset about it. (http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20051004/letters/letters1.html)

[pogi_2nr]

You then have men who sweet talk them into moving into their (the woman's) home and then using the law to claim a proportion of the woman's assets. Many of these men have not contributed financially nor done any child-rearing, etc. In fact, in general, the woman has to hold down a job and do all the homemaking. Where is the fairness in that?lol so she is saying men who do well for themselves dont have that same problem with
them little scabby leeching girls?

I am not letting any woman live with me unless they pulling their own weight financially.
This whole where they claim "staying home taking care of the children, cooking, cleaning,
... being a susy-home-maker" is a job is foolishness too. My god ... go out and get an
education and a friggin job and take 1/10th of your pay to get someone else to do it
for you :eusa_shif. Girls dont blaze me up for this plz :eusa_ange

[BlackCryptoKnight]

This whole where they claim "staying home taking care of the children, cooking, cleaning,
... being a susy-home-maker" is a job is foolishness too.
I have to disagree with you on that pogi. Running a household is a job, that's precisely why you can hire someone to do it for you. Raising children is a full time job and it is one of the most important jobs in society. Too many people underestimate the value of that function and that's partly why society is so messed up today.

[pogi_2nr]

So when women use it as a reason not to have a professional life you think it is valid?

[nester-san]

Dude, I play homemaker when I have slow periods in work.

I cook, clean and wash and other stuff around house. It is MUCH HARDER than it seems. The day will fly past and you have not finished half on stuff u wanted to get done, you have to manage time and resources just like you would on a normal project. Not to mention fact that a kid in the mix is like walking through a minefield with a cup full of nitroglycerine.

Spend two hours, sweeping, then wiping the floor with cleaner, only to to see cat pursued by 2 year old tracking god knows what through the house is just as frustrating as dealing with co-workers in an office invironment. Cause at least you can email boss about co-workers slacking off or bus' dem *** out a door.

Washing clothes is HARD AS HELL, gimme a poorly written piece of junky hardware/software to troubleshoot any day.

Cooking I like, so that is the easiest part. But keeping it hot and ready for Wifey when she comes home is a good mix of timing and luck.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

So when women use it as a reason not to have a professional life you think it is valid?

pogi, if a woman is raising the kids and running the household, that makes it difficult to have another career. Some women mange to do so, some can't. It can be argued, that homes in which the mother and father spend less time running the home and raising the kids because of a career run a higher risk of developing problems with the behaviour of the children or other breakdown in the home.

Women who are homemakers are performing a valid and important role. A role that is arguably more important than having a professional career.

Don't underestimate the importance of managing a home.

[Jae]

pogi, if a woman is raising the kids and running the household, that makes it difficult to have another career. Some women mange to do so, some can't. It can be argued, that homes in which the mother and father spend less time running the home and raising the kids because of a career run a higher risk of developing problems with the behaviour of the children or other breakdown in the home.

Women who are homemakers are performing a valid and important role. A role that is arguably more important than having a professional career.

Don't underestimate the importance of managing a home.

So very very true. Kudos to women who take that upon themselves.

[pogi_2nr]

Unless the kid has special needs, I see no need for the mother to sacrifice her career.

It can be argued, that homes in which the mother and father spend less time running the home and raising the kids because of a career run a higher risk of developing problems with the behaviour of the children or other breakdown in the home.Is that based off opinion or on something published?

we all have different opinions :)

[acidblade]

So very very true. Kudos to women who take that upon themselves.
so what happen to the men that take it upon themselves as well? :eusa_snoo

[Jae]

so what happen to the men that take it upon themselves as well? :eusa_snoo
Nuh vex Acid...Big up to the man dem too, nuh watch nuttin, unnuh a di real M-A-N!!!

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Unless the kid has special needs, I see no need for the mother to sacrifice her career.
All children have special needs. So do all adults. One day, you will learn this.
You don't know all circumstance pogi. There is very good reason today to spend more time at home with family than ever before. That's why home schooling etc. are getting more popular these days. Parents are seeing the increasing importance of spending more time guiding their children's development.[/QUOTE]


Is that based off opinion or on something published?

we all have different opinions :)
Based on both. You can search for studies on "Latch key kids/children" and such the like. It is an issue that has been studied.

[bernie]

All children have special needs. So do all adults. One day, you will learn this.
yes pogi...you will soon reach adulthood:dwl:

[BlackCryptoKnight]

yes pogi...you will soon reach adulthood:dwl:
No bernie. Stop it! :eusa_naug I didn't mean it like that man. Cho! :eusa_snoo




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[Manu]

Interesting read. It's neither here nor there for me if this comes into legislation but women have been asking for equal rights so they should get them all. I agree with pogi to an extent. Raising kids is a tenuos job but some women take advantage of it and think they should be compensated for it like they're maids taking care of your. In any event....I think BCK has a stronger point. It's just that some women abuse this and make it abd for the rest.

[Izemi-Clem]

There are more issuses to be considered when looking at maintenance of spouse (whether male or female).
Firstly, equity is considered; whether or not the person is able to maintain the type of lyfestyle that they have been accustom to. It would (should) be determine on that basis, persons entering into relationships where one partner earns far more than the other, now have more to consider other than whether or not this person is Mr./Mrs. right.
I believe there is more fall-out to come as we see more women with stronger earning power than thier partners. As a consequence the whole idea of redifining relationship and family structure will have to be given more attention than we have been doing so far.

We live in interesting times, its only a matter of it being a natural progression

[pogi_2nr]

You don't know all circumstance pogi.I agree, I will no longer rant on this topic ;)

[Twinkie]

I agree, I will no longer rant on this topic ;)
Why not, your responses have been strong and sensible, even if ppl fighting you out-ish.

I agree on this, most women are diabolical and intentionally marry a man so that they can sponge off him even after divorce. :icon_twis

It's not prevalent in men doing it to women, and i doubt with the passing of this law it will increase.:icon_eek:

Along with being diabolical we are also very intelligent. We're not gonna stop doing certain things, like insisting the MEN take care of us. :eusa_danc

MEN - real men who know that despite the hype they are breadwinners and heads of these families.:eusa_clap

[bernie]

No bernie. Stop it! :eusa_naug I didn't mean it like that man. Cho! :eusa_snoo



:icon_mrgr
awright mi boss a stop it now:icon_lol:

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I agree on this, most women are diabolical and intentionally marry a man so that they can sponge off him even after divorce.
:eusa_sile


It's not prevalent in men doing it to women, and i doubt with the passing of this law it will increase.
:icon_twis


Along with being diabolical we are also very intelligent. We're not gonna stop doing certain things, like insisting the MEN take care of us. :eusa_danc Some of you are intelligent, and some of you aren't. You can insist all you want, if a man doesn't see where it benefits him, or that you are really deserving of being "taken care of", then you ain't getting nuttin'.



MEN - real men who know that despite the hype they are breadwinners and heads of these families.
How convenient ... :rolleyes:

[Blindz]

MEN - real men who know that despite the hype they are breadwinners and heads of these families.

How convenient ... :rolleyes:
couldn't have said it better

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I've been hearing some feedback from some women about these ammendments, and boy are they peeved. :rofl:

The thought that they could have to part with half after a breakup is just mind boggling to them. :dwl:

[Justice]

Women are so quick to ask for equal rights in society and yet still they don’t want to let go of the money, they are so tight with it that they have more security than City Hall.

In any event I don’t know if I would want my Ex to maintain me if I am not sick or handicapped, maybe it’s a ego thing, but I would feel very uncomfortable having a woman maintain me.

[acidblade]

Some of you are intelligent, and some of you aren't. You can insist all you want, if a man doesn't see where it benefits him, or that you are really deserving of being "taken care of", then you ain't getting nuttin'.

Quite So :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

[Jae]

Well let the courts decide what is to be will be...

[nester-san]

I was once told by a friend that her pay was for the bank, and her man's pay was for bills.

I know several kept women who are proud of their "kept" status. I am told rubbing his bald head every now and again ( I didn't ask which bald head), is fair trade for rent money/car payment etc.

Also heard verbatim:
"Him not doing nutting for me, him just a wuk mi out and mi no have nuttin fi show fi it"

[Jae]

I was once told by a friend that her pay was for the bank, and her man's pay was for bills.

I know several kept women who are proud of their "kept" status. I am told rubbing his bald head every now and again ( I didn't ask which bald head), is fair trade for rent money/car payment etc.

Also heard verbatim:
"Him not doing nutting for me, him just a wuk mi out and mi no have nuttin fi show fi it"
Ha ha ha ha U know that's right. Can't dispute this because is true. And u know what some of the men know about this and obviously they seem not to mind.

[Sexysophie]

Ha ha ha ha U know that's right. Can't dispute this because is true. And u know what some of the men know about this and obviously they seem not to mind.

I must agree cause all some of these men really want is just some one to keep their company and a little rubbing of the head will not hurt :eusa_ange .

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I was once told by a friend that her pay was for the bank, and her man's pay was for bills.

Not any more ... :icon_twis


I know several kept women who are proud of their "kept" status. I am told rubbing his bald head every now and again ( I didn't ask which bald head), is fair trade for rent money/car payment etc.
CSW



Also heard verbatim:
"Him not doing nutting for me, him just a wuk mi out and mi no have nuttin fi show fi it"
If they don't value themselves enough to not give themselves away except in a loving committed relationship (marriage) were they both partner to build something together, then a jus' so it go.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Plenty women still fretting over this. :dwl: :eusa_clap

[nester-san]

Mek Dem Frem Fret.

"Is MAN Time NOW!!" :no_spam: :no_spam: :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_danc

[pogi_2nr]

I dont see whats the problem with this.. If the women are doing it for love as they
claim then they shouldnt be thinking about the money side of things :)

[acidblade]

I dont see whats the problem with this.. If the women are doing it for love as they
claim then they shouldnt be thinking about the money side of things :)
Quite So. :icon_lol:

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I dont see whats the problem with this.. If the women are doing it for love as they
claim then they shouldnt be thinking about the money side of things :)

And therein lies the issue. Plenty women not into these things for love. They're not even ashamed of it either.

[Greatis]

Rasta a where was I when this discussion was a going on? I gonna give some older woman there groove back and leave with their money. :eusa_snoo

[Manu]

The other day I heard two girls arguing over who is a gold digger. One of them remarked "So...atleast I admit it... you don't want to admit it.". Then the other one said to this guy; something in the range of "the yute she deh wid is retarded... she only want him money" and this is when the other one remarked again, "he's not retarded...he's special". I'm like WTF? And she wasn't even attractive to begin with but she's a gold digger? Or maybe she just got less attractive when her true colours were shown. This is just one of the conversations I've heard. The girls at UWI are more open about the financial exploits of when and not being with a certain guy because his honda is 2005 and not 2007 like so-and-so. Its utterly ridiculous!


Is it that hard nowadays to get your own? What happen to being independent? All my stepmom. She's been "going to school" for for about 8 years and is currently unemployed because she can't get any job but my sister has gone through 3 already. Damn lazy I call it!

[Twinkie]

I'm gonna be real, the number of gold diggers is on a DRAMATIC rise. Could it be Kanye's song or what? Who knows?

What I do know is the mentality is, I need more than a nut out of sex. Is you're gonna poke me pay me. Not in dollars cause that's too close to prostitution.

Pay for my books for school, my hair, my nails, my shoes, pay my rhaatid school fee, gas for my putt putt and don't forget you promised to upgrade me next year.

Now bless my heart I, Twinks Snr. have never been lucky enough to buck one of dem that follow the above rule. But LAWKS WHEN A DO!!!!!!!!! WHOO HOO Wamu free checking nah've ntn pan me!!


JOKE!!! Lawks is joke a mekking man!

[Manu]

So yu seh.....:icon_mrgr

[Nika_869]

There is currently discussion in Jamaica over legislation to be passed (Maintenance Bill) which would make it possible for women to be required to maintain their ex-partners (men) just as how the men are required to maintain their ex-partners (women). It also seeks to ensure that adults take care of their parents and grandparents etc.

What you you all think about women being required to maintain their male ex-partners? Personally, I see nothing wrong with it - after all, men and women are equal and deserve equal treatment right? ;)

Ahem, so she gon have to sustain him, and de picknee....she might as well had stay married in de fuss place.

I hope they mean if he has custody of the kids or if she is the one who cheated etc....I pray those are the reasons they build. If not, then to hell with this law and throw it way.

[Nika_869]

I'm gonna be real, the number of gold diggers is on a DRAMATIC rise. Could it be Kanye's song or what? Who knows?

What I do know is the mentality is, I need more than a nut out of sex. Is you're gonna poke me pay me. Not in dollars cause that's too close to prostitution.

Pay for my books for school, my hair, my nails, my shoes, pay my rhaatid school fee, gas for my putt putt and don't forget you promised to upgrade me next year.

Now bless my heart I, Twinks Snr. have never been lucky enough to buck one of dem that follow the above rule. But LAWKS WHEN A DO!!!!!!!!! WHOO HOO Wamu free checking nah've ntn pan me!!


JOKE!!! Lawks is joke a mekking man!


:rotflm::rotflm::rotflm::rotflm::rotflm:

[Nika_869]

The other day I heard two girls arguing over who is a gold digger. One of them remarked "So...atleast I admit it... you don't want to admit it.". Then the other one said to this guy; something in the range of "the yute she deh wid is retarded... she only want him money" and this is when the other one remarked again, "he's not retarded...he's special". I'm like WTF? And she wasn't even attractive to begin with but she's a gold digger? Or maybe she just got less attractive when her true colours were shown. This is just one of the conversations I've heard. The girls at UWI are more open about the financial exploits of when and not being with a certain guy because his honda is 2005 and not 2007 like so-and-so. Its utterly ridiculous!

When women like this hit hard times or face serious repercussions I show no mercy for them.



Is it that hard nowadays to get your own? What happen to being independent? All my stepmom. She's been "going to school" for for about 8 years and is currently unemployed because she can't get any job but my sister has gone through 3 already. Damn lazy I call it!

could be laziness, could be the demand for her expertise, either way, you gotta hustle to get by in whatever job. Every job is a hustle no matter how corporate it may seem. It can be hard, especially with the turn in events etc today.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Ahem, so she gon have to sustain him, and de picknee....she might as well had stay married in de fuss place.
Hey, equal is equal. Why shouldn't a woman maintain her ex-partner?


[COLOR="Blue"]I hope they mean if he has custody of the kids or if she is the one who cheated etc....I pray those are the reasons they build. If not, then to hell with this law and throw it way.
If a man has to support an ex even if there were no kids, then the same should apply to women. Equal is equal. :icon_mrgr

[Manu]

could be laziness, could be the demand for her expertise, either way, you gotta hustle to get by in whatever job. Every job is a hustle no matter how corporate it may seem. It can be hard, especially with the turn in events etc today.


Oh she's hustling arrite... hustling my pops! Its just because is his wife and mother of his child....

[Nika_869]

Hey, equal is equal. Why shouldn't a woman maintain her ex-partner?


If a man has to support an ex even if there were no kids, then the same should apply to women. Equal is equal. :icon_mrgr


Hell naw. gwaan look work. It cost more to maintain a woman than a man. She need all her money. Why he need support?? is he an invalid?? I personally do not agree to spousal support if she is employed, if not, then give her a yr to find a job, but that is de height of laziness.

But in the voice of equality, I can see why the haunted thought comes up.

[Nika_869]

Oh she's hustling arrite... hustling my pops! Its just because is his wife and mother of his child....


And your pops obviously love it or else he would have put his foot down. She could have never been my wife. sheesh. I would have rationed everything for her and let her know when she becomes gainfully employed, then she can have leeway....guess am just ruthless.

[Manu]

He's just not that cruel because its not like he can't afford it. Its the principle of the matter. Why go to a University to get a degree to sit on your arse????

[Greatis]

Manu simple she is preparing for the divorce not the marriage.

[Nika_869]

He's just not that cruel because its not like he can't afford it. Its the principle of the matter. Why go to a University to get a degree to sit on your arse????

Nah, it won't mek him cruel, just a motivator

That is a question we all ask ourselves.... One woman told me, "if the man is not pressuring me to go find a job, and he is willing to support me, then why should I hurt my head."

[Greatis]

Jeez I won't pressure it is a must a woman can't pay her own bills I not interested. That's why I don't talk to children.

[Nika_869]

Jeez I won't pressure it is a must a woman can't pay her own bills I not interested. That's why I don't talk to children.

You are just mean. simple.

My point stands, circumstances have to be serious in order for the woman to support her ex. :icon_twis

[Greatis]

Jah know star how I not mean I just mean that a woman should pull her own weight simple. Right now I can't pay my bills plus the bills at her end I would be in debt up to my nose. No Rasta not gonna do that just to get a little.................

[Nika_869]

manage your funds better. invest and also, have some sort of agreement going ya know. Budget it well.

[Greatis]

manage your funds better. invest and also, have some sort of agreement going ya know. Budget it well.

ahhh err you're encouraging me as a young man to hmmm take care of a woman :thumbsdown:

[Greatis]

Buying Gifts, Taking her out, Sometimes the occassional vacation isn't that enough? Bills too?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Hell naw. gwaan look work. It cost more to maintain a woman than a man. She need all her money. Why he need support?? is he an invalid?? I personally do not agree to spousal support if she is employed, if not, then give her a yr to find a job, but that is de height of laziness.

But in the voice of equality, I can see why the haunted thought comes up.
:rotflm:

Why she need support? Is she an invalid? She fi go look a work too! :dwl:

He needs all his money too. I don't know about it costing more to maintain a woman than a man. Some women spend a lot that is unnecessary just because of vanity. The basics in life apply to both men and women.

I don't agree with spousal support either. If you've broken up, yuh should be deh pon yuh own. But if the law has men paying support, then it should have women doing the same in the name of fairness.

[Twinkie]

Manu simple she is preparing for the divorce not the marriage.

Conneck!!!


Tell dem again greatis

[Nika_869]

ahhh err you're encouraging me as a young man to hmmm take care of a woman :thumbsdown:

No am not love. Just messing with you.


:rotflm:

Why she need support? Is she an invalid? She fi go look a work too! :dwl:

He needs all his money too. I don't know about it costing more to maintain a woman than a man. Some women spend a lot that is unnecessary just because of vanity. The basics in life apply to both men and women.

I don't agree with spousal support either. If you've broken up, yuh should be deh pon yuh own. But if the law has men paying support, then it should have women doing the same in the name of fairness.

:rotflm::rotflm:

honestly, Society is so geared towards maintaining and assisting women and they often take advantage of it. If a man marries, and tells his wife she does not have to work, then fine, I can see why he would be called to pay support. However, if she is gainfully employed, and making adequate funds, then she ain need no spousal support. upsets me greatly.

[Manu]

Bwoy Greatis.... it looks so fi true.....