Sadam, Bush and Bin Laden

[Nastro]

Was the scoop on this guys?

I haven't hear much about Sadam since he got caught and they still hunting down Bin Laden.

Come to think of it I hear they killed him (Bin Laden) some 3-4 four times already. Some how he still keeps on making videos!!! hhmmm...must be related to Tupac.

[Chris]

...Some how he still keeps on making videos!!! hhmmm...must be related to Tupac.

LOL ... bwoy u no easy at all Nastro :D

[Ropy]

I'm guessing they were all clones. Binladen must have found out how to successfully clone himself and speed up the ageing process.

[Xenocrates]

Bush has already captured Bin Laden. However, he is using Bin Laden as his trump card, much in the same way Sadam was used to boost his popularity rating in the deepest darkest slump of his career. Don't be surprised if during the October elections this year, that Bush suddenly pulls out his trump card and Bin Laden is declared caught by the US Gov't. It's Bush's ploy to get himself re-instated for a second term.

Bush was put in the spotlight recently when he was quoted as saying in essence that he is not particularly perturbed by Bin Laden. This was on the very day that the twin tower attacks occurred. As usually, he skipped and danced around the issue and slithered his way out of it. But the people at the press conference were not the least bit impressed.

Bush is a very conniving individual. I don't believe that Sadam Hussein, Bin Laden or even our own Government is even remotely as perniciously diabolical as President Bush. I mean think about it. How many other countries in the world can a presidency be decided by the candidate with the fewer votes without the implications of social unrest? It could never happen in Jamaica without somebody getting their throat slashed.

But you know what? The Americans are just as fatuous as are many Jamaicans. Bush is probably going to win out Kerry if he uses that trump card. In like manner, the current J'can Gov't is going to make the same empty promises as usual and garner yet another term.

People are just too impuissant in mind. Those who are not, tend to be evil. What a paradox. It's like the Greek Philosopher Thrasymachus said:

"The law is defined by those whom it benefits most. Therefore, what is right is defined by those in power"

- A narrowminded, but accurate summation none-the-less.

[Greatis]

Nas I've asked the same question

Xeno good points. Xeno have you every watched swordfish? Bush is using the same tactics John Travolta used in that show Deception.

[Xenocrates]

I agree with you Greatis. It's all a plot against a plot against a ploy. The deception is in it's third degree of complexity. And then he's so smart, he portrays himself as a not-so-smart speaker in public. So folks thinks he isn't in on something. That man was shady from the very first time I saw him take office under the circumstances that he did.

[F.L.E.X]

I agree with the view that Osama is that trump card that Bush would love use if given the opportunity to "steal" the election come November. If such a move is made, I doubt very much if it will have its desired impact due to the situation on the ground in Iraq which is getting more dismal everyday.

On the other hand I think you guys give "W" way too much credit as I am one of those who believe that he way more clueless than a lot of us dream possible. The situation he is in, is the end result of what happens when a manager delegates more than he should - the quagmire in Iraq. "W" got "suckered" into following the Judo-Neo Conservative agenda, which many believe furthers the foreign policy aims of Israel and is not in tune with Bush's aims of being re-elected.

Now with pressure mounting from all sides (9/11 commission, Woodward's book, Lack of WMDs etc etc etc) its clear that "W" is trying to bring out the Jewish vote (which is critical in battleground states such as Ohio and Florida) by being the most pro-Israeli president in history. His recent endorsement of the Sharon Plan (much to the consternation of Tony Blair) which reveals the illusion that the US is a honest mediator in the Israel/Palestinian conflict is sure to enrage Arabs which is set to trigger more violence. The recent assassination of Hamas leader Rantisi by Israel is sure to compound things - more violence.

Closer examination of the recent Shia and Sunni uprising in Iraq will reveal that a large part of it was motivated by the assassination of Sheik Yassin(Hamsa leader) a link that was not reported in the traditional media. The mutilation of the 4 mercenaries as stated my the insurgents was an act of revenge for the slaying of Yassin by the so called Sunni insurgents and the crackdown on Sadr came after he condemned the Americans and Israelis for there attitude towards the Palestinians.

As the November elections gets closer its is clear that the violence in Iraq is likely to increase and if you have taken a note of the casualties that the Americans are taking I am sure that wimp (he was hiding on 9/11!!!) is sweating in his pants. You know that Americans have that Vietnam's syndrome and the cry to bring home the boys is set to get louder and louder.

It is such a shame that the world has to choose between a war criminal(Kerry) and a Wimp(Bush) because no matter the out come of the election innocent people will continue to die in Iraq.


" The law is defined by those whom it benefits most. Therefore, what is right is defined by those in power "

The views held my the Neo-cons are the minority views in this case and it is quite alarming how the Neo-cons where able to hijack US foreign policy.

my $0.02

[Skillachi]

Was the scoop on this guys?

I haven't hear much about Sadam since he got caught and they still hunting down Bin Laden.

Come to think of it I hear they killed him (Bin Laden) some 3-4 four times already. Some how he still keeps on making videos!!! hhmmm...must be related to Tupac.
GREAT I NOW NOW THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO BELIEVES TUPAC IS STILL ALIVE.

Anyway ive never thought of that theory u made xeno about bush already having bin laden. It might actually be tru thinking about it. Its sorta cool wen u think "out of the box" i need to start trying it

[Nastro]

I heard a London Report make some comments this morning (april 26, 2004)that really had me laughing.

His comments:

" Its ironic that the people who the Americans are trying to liberate are the ones that are trying to kill them. The Iraqi's has even more so set on getting rid of the Americans since the capture of Sadam.

To date there has been NO WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION found, yet the attacks continue.

I wonder, if IRAQ had not NO OIL or Gasoline and was a country with only Asparagus and Cabagges is there would be a war in the first place" :eusa_thin

Good Questions

[Greatis]

I heard a London Report make some comments this morning (april 26, 2004)that really had me laughing.

His comments:

" Its ironic that the people who the Americans are trying to liberate are the ones that are trying to kill them. The Iraqi's has even more so set on getting rid of the Americans since the capture of Sadam.

To date there has been NO WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION found, yet the attacks continue.

I wonder, if IRAQ had not NO OIL or Gasoline and was a country with only Asparagus and Cabagges is there would be a war in the first place" :eusa_thin

Good Questions

really good questions Nas. I have been reading something about Bush having planned the war on Iraq some nine months before going there. During the war on Afghan, he had secretly okayed the war on Iraq.

The main question here is where are the weapons of mass destruction. I just believe that the US wanted some leverage on the oil prices and since Iraq is a major oil producer they concocted an excuse to conquer them.

may sound stupid but that's what I think :mad:

[Xenocrates]

And I agree with you wholeheartedly Greatis. We had a very similar discussion on TechJamaica recently. Do you realise how many US soldiers are being Massacred on a daily basis in Iraq? Bush is being labelled as a killer and for reinstating the same nightmares that the US had during the Vietnam war. This is exactly what is happening today!

Iraq is nothing more than a modern day Vietnam! And it occurred approxiamtely 30 years afterward! Soon we will start seeing several hundred movies in which you will have characters who are ex-soldiers talking about how they served in Iraq, similar to how today you have hundreds of movies with characters talking about how they served in 'nam.

It's amazing how history repeats itself. :rolleyes:

[rojo]

I concur Greatis, Nas............the major reason for the war, put forward by the two invaders, is null founded.

[Xenocrates]

Can you imagine all of those weeping mothers who's sons were lost in this futile war? I don't think Bush can do anything to console those families at this point. This war is fast becoming worse than Vietnam, and I feel the worse is yet to come. Those Sunis are putting up a far more brutal fight than Sadam's original armies. I know if Kerry ever gets the presidency, those boys are coming home first thing.

[Greatis]

It's rather painful to look at the horror america has caused innocent people. Look at the many killed in Argentina, Cuba, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq(twice) and more. Same thing happens. With Cuba it was the vantage point and nearness to Florida, Iraq was oil, Vietnam not sure did not do enough research, Afghanistan was to save some face, Argentina too many factors.

This country is based solely on exploiting others for their own uses. The United States of America appears to be like Switzerland. Get rich off the masses. :mad:

[ActorRod]

I don't know what's up anymore either. My guess is that sometime in the next couple of weeks, Bin Laden will be found so Bush can say, "See, I told you I'd find him!" Then he will soar on his new found popularity and get re-elected. So, my question is, should this happen, what are property rates like in the Caribbean? If Bush gets re-elected, I'm moving out of the USA!!!!

[InkyP1]

Exactly they are all a bunch of hypocrites and criminals. white collar that is.

[AngelsKiss]

Actually the Iraqi war was planned long before Bush came into power by some of his the ppl who is on his current administration, the very same ppl who also served under Bush Senior and Regan.

Of course it is very doubtful they will find WMDs, since if Iraq had it, Sadam would not have refused to use it. Secondly, it is highly doubtful he could have procured such weapons since there has been and embargo on him and his country (same embargo that cause 1/2 million Iraqi kids to die), plus the USA and Britain has continued to bombed Iraq (anywhere there may be weapons) since the 1st Gulf War.

A major part of the reason of course is oil. The USA alone uses approx 45% of the world's oil. Iraq has the one of the largest reserve of oil.

The Caspian Sea also has one of the world's largest supply of oil and controlling Afghanistan give the USA control over oil there. For years they were trying to negotiate with Afghanistan to pipe the Caspian oil thru that country. It never happened, now it will.

Ask your self this, why attack Afghanistan for 9/11 when Afghanistan as a country did not attact the USA. The UN charter specifically states that its against the rules to do so. Yes the men who attacked the USA were living in that country and running the country but the attack was not done so in the name of Afghanistan. So many of the innocent ppl who died paid a price for something they had little or no control over. Also 15 of the 16 hijackers were Saudis. Bare in mind that the USA is currrently very close to the Saudi regime which has one of the worst dictatorships in the world.

The ultimate goal of the USA is to control the World by controlling the Middle East. Currently they are trying to help overthrow the Venezuelan govt. Why? Venezuela is the 5th largest oil exporter. However, the current govt realises that 5% of the population was benefitting, resulting in serious poverty, so he has embarked on a social plan to change all of that. Those 5% are not happy and the USA is not happy so why not overthrow him. Same strategy like the used in 1953 with Mossadeq (Iran), 1954 Guatemala, Chile, Honduras and recently Haiti.

The USA is a wonderful place and has some of the worlds greatest ppl, however, some of their foreign policies are some of the worst in the world. Unfortuantely, this is true for many other contries such as England, France, Russia, etc.

I suppose we could say its just the way the world is, all about power and wealth. I say give it 10 years or so and we will have see change. China has the fastest growing economy in the world and continues to grow with the largest population. They have nuclear weapons and the technology.

[Greatis]

Angel Kiss I like that bit of education and the way you look at the current situation. excellente!!.