Overpopulated Ghettos

[rreky]

Can someone explain to me why persons who are in dire financial constraints continue to procreate? Is it beyond common sense for them to realize that this is not helping their plight? Why do you think they continue to do it anyway?

[Bahama Mama]

1.Because a very large majority of people these days are just very dumb.

2. People dont think about the consequences of unprotected and uncommitted sex, they are just caught up in the 'climax', every time.

3. Amazingly some women feel the more children they have, the more financial support they will receive from the men that sired their children.
(I still dont get this one, its like throwing oil on a burning house).

4. Some women in the states do it so they can receive welfare (in essence they are too lazy to 'work', at a legitimate job that is).

5. In certain societies some women dont have control over their sexual beings and bodies.

6. In some societies, there is a lack of education as far as it concerns safe sex practices, like b/c pill and morning after pill, and other alternatives like abortions and temporary infertility.

[rreky]

3. Amazingly some women feel the more children they have, the more financial support they will receive from the men that sired their children.
(I still dont get this one, its like throwing oil on a burning house).
I don't get this one either. Even if you believe this misconception for even up to the third time and it has failed... why would you continue? Lack of common sense?

[Bahama Mama]

I don't get this one either. Even if you believe this misconception for even up to the third time and it has failed... why would you continue? Lack of common sense?


Well you need to ask the women that do such things, because I have no idea, and never will.

Common Sense came before books!

[Twinkie]

They have nothing else to call their own; having 6 kids is equivalent to having 6 personal things. 6 things of their own. And so teh cycle goes on and on. Dem man ano fe dem, dem house ano fe dem, dem job...wait! which job? But all 6 pickeny a fe dem, conceive them, birth dem, breastfeed dem, all 6 a dem.

Close enough an answer for you???

[Bahama Mama]

They have nothing else to call their own; having 6 kids is equivalent to having 6 personal things. 6 things of their own. And so teh cycle goes on and on. Dem man ano fe dem, dem house ano fe dem, dem job...wait! which job? But all 6 pickeny a fe dem, conceive them, birth dem, breastfeed dem, all 6 a dem.

Close enough an answer for you???


I dont get this logic. A woman wants something of her own so bad, that she has more kids than she can feed. Yes they are her own, but wouldnt it break her heart to not be able to feed and clothe them, and provide for them emotionally and physically the way a parent should. If she doesnt take that into consideration, her acts are close to pure selfishness. Or are bred from some kind of psychological disorder.

[AngelsKiss]

I dont get this logic. A woman wants something of her own so bad, that she has more kids than she can feed. Yes they are her own, but wouldnt it break her heart to not be able to feed and clothe them, and provide for them emotionally and physically the way a parent should. If she doesnt take that into consideration, her acts are close to pure selfishness. Or are bred from some kind of psychological disorder.
Sometimes its hard for us to understand something with out experiencing it for ourselves. It's like I have a difficulty understanding how women stay in an abuse relationship. However, even though it's difficult I still have to try and I will also have to try not to pass judgement on them.

[Gillion]

Can someone explain to me why persons who are in dire financial constraints continue to procreate? Is it beyond common sense for them to realize that this is not helping their plight? Why do you think they continue to do it anyway?

When pressed into stressful living conditions men an women will seek to relieve there stress with sex. They will not be thinking about condoms either. Once your a honry and pressured your brain will shut down... and you will take "a swim"

Its like asking why a hungry man will steal a loaf of bread even though he knows he will get caught.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Then there are those men who see fathering many children as a status symbol. They get ratings for doing so, whether or not they actually take care of them.

[pogi_2nr]

condoms are expensive I always vex when I go to buy boots.

[Gillion]

You see with great stress comes the intense desire to gains PLEASURE.

Dancing and Merryment ... GoGo clubs ... the works.

It is human in nature to try to balance the stress hormones with loads of endorphins ... some people smoke weed or drink beer/rum.

Others have sex.

you see most people do not understand the GREAT power of sex as a therapy and a psychological medication ... however every medication has a side effect.

One of which is unwanted pregnancy ... but the problem comes from .... the SEX IS SIMPYL BETTER WITHOUT CONDOMS.

Most Women will complain bitterly about a guy using a condom to have sex with her if she is REALLY aroused and REALLY wanting to be "released" of that pentup tension ... and a latex covered "willy" will not do the trick ... some will rip the flipping thing off in mid session.

So you have to understand the BASIC NEEDS.

This is where stress managment comes in ... most people are not trained to cope with the stress in life and react badly to it by coping in some dangerous and risky ways.

Christianity teaches stress management indirectly ... but the problem is ... it does not show an alternative pleasure outlet.

All most people see Christianity as is ADDING more stress to their already stressful lives, because with Christianity you have to give up XYZ pleasures and they do not see what they will be replaced by ... going to church is NOT a pleasureable activity to the body ... you dig ?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Christianity teaches stress management indirectly ... but the problem is ... it does not show an alternative pleasure outlet.

All most people see Christianity as is ADDING more stress to their already stressful lives, because with Christianity you have to give up XYZ pleasures and they do not see what they will be replaced by ... going to church is NOT a pleasureable activity to the body ... you dig ?

You are right, people do have this view.

What Christianity teaches is that things of this world - pursuit of selfish pleasure etc. pale in comparison to an eternity with God. Many people don't understand this, hence they align their priorities the way they do.

[rreky]

In a day and age like this the availablity of condoms is not an excuse. Clinics give them away for free!

What's the point in owning something (a child) if you can't take care of it?

[Jae]

Condoms r too much of a bother right??? Wrong!!!...AIDS and all those other std's are way more bothersome (well u'll probably die anyway, so it won't be much of a bother:rolleyes: ) than just spending 15 secs to put on a condom, which by the way is a very simple task. Ppl should stop using these stupid a*s excuses and start acting responsible. What is it that makes us so wicked to ourselves? We simply expose ourselves to all sorts of things...ppl never cease to amaze me. C'mon grow up:mad: :mad:. Why is it that seemingly smart ppl r always the ones that say the stupidest bulls**t. We never seem to learn. I mean you don't have to wait until something happens to you, before you take action against it. Let's be proactive. Hell...let's act sensible!!! Plz ppl, let's be selfish 4 a minute and think of ourselves and what we do to our bodies when we do stupid crap like 'not wearing condoms'. There is no way I am going to let any man get all up into this without protecting myself. And no man should allow a woman to be intimate with him without protecting himself, no matter how she moans, weeps, begs and beseeches. Tell her no way. Tell him go to Hell. Better no sex than, no life or a life complicated by the overshadowing of Death. Be SMART!!!!

[Gillion]

In a day and age like this the availablity of condoms is not an excuse. Clinics give them away for free!

What's the point in owning something (a child) if you can't take care of it?
You ain't hear me ?

They, men and womenm pull off the condom most times when the going is GOOD !.

or

They put in the p3nis a few mnutes "just fi sample it likkle" before then they put ON the condom ... at which point sometimes some sperm (not semen) does get away in the v4gina (the word censor is iffy about such words)

So it is not a matter of FREE CONDOMS it is a matter of how they are used.

Ohh and MOST TIMES they do not put the damn things on properly even if they DO use them so they BREAK ! secondly they often keep the damn things in the back pocket of glove compartment of a car ... which degrades the latex ... result ... slow leak.

Thirdly ... the people sometimes use VASELINE with condoms because they are OTORIOUS for drying out a woman.

[Bahama Mama]

Sometimes its hard for us to understand something with out experiencing it for ourselves. It's like I have a difficulty understanding how women stay in an abuse relationship. However, even though it's difficult I still have to try and I will also have to try not to pass judgement on them.


Here we go again.

I may just be passing judgement, or what I think it is which is criticism of women and men who being of sound mind and unforced actions breed like mice, without means to even support themselves. Particularly when sex education regarding prevention and alternatives is available ten fold, than say thirty years ago. There is no logical explanation aside from some underlying psychological disorder, that women and men in the Western World, have to burden themselves with 5, 6, 7, kids, unmarried, unsupported and before the age of 30 no less.

Condoms are cheap, in most instances free in Western societies at least. There are now female condoms available, diaphragms, the old faithful birth control pill and the morning after pill is also available. Ignorance can be blamed the first, or even second time, but the third, fourth, fifth time, I am skeptical.


And just for the record, I am not referring to persons who spouses walked out on them, and they had to raise their kids alone. I am talking about women and men of 'sound' mind who are sexually irresponsible, and then blame society for their misfortunes.

Alot of kids who are the products of these sexually irresponsible adults, end up becoming the scourges of society, raping, killing, terrorizing, and robbing people of their hard earned money and other properties. (For the record, I am not saying here that only these types of kids do such things).

So you see the consequences are far reaching, beyond generations.

At the end of the day, I am not advocating taking away a woman's or a man's reproductive or non reproductive right for that matter. All I am saying is that people (women and men) should act more responsibly, and this day in age there is really no excuse.

[Jae]

Maybe there should be a law passed against having so many kids and not being able to take care of them. Some ppl only respond to force!!!

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Condoms are cheap, in most instances free in Western societies at least. There are now female condoms available, diaphragms, the old faithful birth control pill and the morning after pill is also available.
Don't leave out abstinence. People don't like that option very much, but it is the most effective means of birth control.

[Jae]

Don't leave out abstinence. People don't like that option very much, but it is the most effective means of birth control.
Yea but let's be realistic how many ppl are really going to go that route- the route less travelled. Not many have that will-power. To some sex is like oxygen, without it they'll die.

[Bahama Mama]

Maybe there should be a law passed against having so many kids and not being able to take care of them. Some ppl only respond to force!!!


Taking away a persons reproductive right or trying to at least is wading into murky waters. Even though in places like China (with excessive overpopulation) limited the reproduction rights of its citizens. It would probably be better to try and teach responsibility in our citizens. But unfortunately that can be a fustrating task.

[Jae]

Taking away a persons reproductive right or trying to at least is wading into murky waters. Even though in places like China (with excessive overpopulation) limited the reproduction rights of its citizens. It would probably be better to try and teach responsibility in our citizens. But unfortunately that can be a fustrating task.
Yea I know but some ppl really 'tough headed' they know the right thing but refuse to do it. Like the saying goes 'misery loves company', unfortunately it is the children who are the miserable victims. And even more unfortunate is the fact that this vicious cycle is further perpetuated by the life they lead.

[acidblade]

You ain't hear me ?

They, men and womenm pull off the condom most times when the going is GOOD !.

or

They put in the p3nis a few mnutes "just fi sample it likkle" before then they put ON the condom ... at which point sometimes some sperm (not semen) does get away in the v4gina (the word censor is iffy about such words)

:rofl: :rotflm: :dwl:

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Yea but let's be realistic how many ppl are really going to go that route- the route less travelled. Not many have that will-power. To some sex is like oxygen, without it they'll die.
The reality is that overpopulation, teenage pregnancy, STDs and some people's inability to support their large families, stem from an absence of self control. Certainly, in today's society, abstinence is not popular, and many people, as you say, don't have the will power to refrain from having sex. Some of that may have to do with lack of education and guidance, peer pressure, their own subjective view of morality.

If we can change people's thinking from placing so much importance on sex such that they feel that they need it to live, to the kind of thinking that is able to logically place priorities in the correct order, and place responsible behaviour ahead of pleasure seeking.

[rreky]

If we can change people's thinking from placing so much importance on sex such that they feel that they need it to live, to the kind of thinking that is able to logically place priorities in the correct order, and place responsible behaviour ahead of pleasure seeking.

Props to you for trying to spread the word and get one and two people to listen to you. And while your suggestion is ideal it's not realistic. So wake up. The devil is rampant, these are the end of days.

[rreky]

It is human in nature to try to balance the stress hormones with loads of endorphins ... some people smoke weed or drink beer/rum.
So I guess that's why the wealthier among us only end up with children to produce a heir rather than as a result of stress relief cuz they don't have as many things stressing em, eh? :rotflm:

[Jae]

The reality is that overpopulation, teenage pregnancy, STDs and some people's inability to support their large families, stem from an absence of self control. Certainly, in today's society, abstinence is not popular, and many people, as you say, don't have the will power to refrain from having sex. Some of that may have to do with lack of education and guidance, peer pressure, their own subjective view of morality.

If we can change people's thinking from placing so much importance on sex such that they feel that they need it to live, to the kind of thinking that is able to logically place priorities in the correct order, and place responsible behaviour ahead of pleasure seeking.
Well it's a very long and difficult road ahead of us. Ppl can be really difficult when they're ready.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Props to you for trying to spread the word and get one and two people to listen to you. And while your suggestion is ideal it's not realistic. So wake up. The devil is rampant, these are the end of days.
So just give into him right? Resistance is futile right?

Free your mind dear. The matrix has you.

Whoever wants to listen can listen. Whoever doesn't want to, doesn't have to. Each will have to account for their actions.

The line of least resistance can lead to a dead end. People need to stop running from difficult choices just because they are difficult. Why isn't abstinence realistic? Has anyone died from not having sex? Too many people have been brainwashed into believing that abstinence is unrealistic. It makes perfect sense. If you are poor, and unable to adequately support yourself, why take the risk of having children to add to the support burden? Why not do the one thing that is guaranteed to result in no pregnancy - not have sex? Why not? Why not do the one thing today that has the highest sucess rate in preventing STDs - not have sex? Why not?

Unless you are married, you are under no obligation to have sex. Even if you are married, good sense still needs to be excercised if you are concerned about unwanted pregnancies etc.

There's nothing unrealistic about abstinence.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Well it's a very long and difficult road ahead of us. Ppl can be really difficult when they're ready.
True dat my dear.
.

[rreky]

So just give into him right? Resistance is futile right?

Free your mind dear. The matrix has you.

Whoever wants to listen can listen. Whoever doesn't want to, doesn't have to. Each will have to account for their actions.

The line of least resistance can lead to a dead end. People need to stop running from difficult choices just because they are difficult. Why isn't abstinence realistic? Has anyone died from not having sex? Too many people have been brainwashed into believing that abstinence is unrealistic. It makes perfect sense. If you are poor, and unable to adequately support yourself, why take the risk of having children to add to the support burden? Why not do the one thing that is guaranteed to result in no pregnancy - not have sex? Why not? Why not do the one thing today that has the highest sucess rate in preventing STDs - not have sex? Why not?

Unless you are married, you are under no obligation to have sex. Even if you are married, good sense still needs to be excercised if you are concerned about unwanted pregnancies etc.

There's nothing unrealistic about abstinence.
Maybe you're the one caught in the Matrix. Brainwashed to believe that all you preach is the only way a person is supposed to act.

Whoever wants to listen listens. Whoever does contrary could possibly have listened and decides they want nothing to do with your message. Doesn't mean you're going to go out and pester them cuz that could do more bad than good in getting them to convert.

You know why they don't abstain? They are pleasing the flesh and the flesh is weak. They don't know how else to be so at least suggest how they can keep themselves alive.

I guess you're either void of hormones, castrated, in denial or so filled with the Holy Spirit to tell me you've NEVER thought about sex before you were married.

Not everyone is as self disciplined as you.

[Jae]

Maybe you're the one caught in the Matrix. Brainwashed to believe that all you preach is the only way a person is supposed to act.
Usually it's not the few that are caught in the Matrix, but the majority.

Whoever wants to listen listens. Whoever does contrary could possibly have listened and decides they want nothing to do with your message. Doesn't mean you're going to go out and pester them cuz that could do more bad than good in getting them to convert.
I don't think he is pestering, neither is he shoving his belief on anyone. Furthermore ppl sometimes need to be pestered because that's the only way they will listen. Like you said whoever wants to listen so be it, who doesn't that's their deal. If you do wrong and do it willingly, you will have to face the consequences. Just don't say that you should've known because the message was being preached, you just chose not to listen.

You know why they don't abstain? They are pleasing the flesh and the flesh is weak. They don't know how else to be so at least suggest how they can keep themselves alive.
And knowing this, the flesh is weak, you don't think you should at least give yourself the pleasure of being different and try to fight against this weakness. I mean it is a fight hardly ever won, but when it is, it is worth it. Ppl need to stop making silly excuses for everything. The fact is they know it is wrong and they still do it. No blasted excuse there.

I guess you're either void of hormones, castrated, in denial or so filled with the Holy Spirit to tell me you've NEVER thought about sex before you were married.
No need to diss the man, but maybe, just maybe he's learnt his lesson where this is concerned. He's wiser on this point, and therefore instead of being selfish he chooses to impart his knowledge to others, making sure that we don't make the same mistake. If you wanna take his foolish advice, good for you, if you don't..oh well, you can't say he never told u.

Not everyone is as self disciplined as you.
That's true, but don't you think maybe we all should give ourselves the chance to see if we could be?

[rreky]

Usually it's not the few that are caught in the Matrix, but the majority.

I don't think he is pestering, neither is he shoving his belief on anyone. Furthermore ppl sometimes need to be pestered because that's the only way they will listen. Like you said whoever wants to listen so be it, who doesn't that's their deal. If you do wrong and do it willingly, you will have to face the consequences. Just don't say that you should've known because the message was being preached, you just chose not to listen.

And knowing this, the flesh is weak, you don't think you should at least give yourself the pleasure of being different and try to fight against this weakness. I mean it is a fight hardly ever won, but when it is, it is worth it. Ppl need to stop making silly excuses for everything. The fact is they know it is wrong and they still do it. No blasted excuse there.

No need to diss the man, but maybe, just maybe he's learnt his lesson where this is concerned. He's wiser on this point, and therefore instead of being selfish he chooses to impart his knowledge to others, making sure that we don't make the same mistake. If you wanna take his foolish advice, good for you, if you don't..oh well, you can't say he never told u.

That's true, but don't you think maybe we all should give ourselves the chance to see if we could be?

We're going off topic but... Easier said than done. Just don't be condescending and in denial cuz we don't live in a perfect world. Christians better than anyone shud know that people make mistakes... that's why there's provision for forgiveness. Spread your word by all means but don't expect everyone to find it easy to do the right thing. After all we've all fallen short of the glory of God.

[Jae]

We're going off topic but... Easier said than done. Just don't be condescending and in denial cuz we don't live in a perfect world. Christians better than anyone shud know that people make mistakes... that's why there's provision for forgiveness. Spread your word by all means but don't expect everyone to find it easy to do the right thing. After all we've all fallen short of the glory of God.
Yes but we should also learn to not abuse God's mercy. Never take him for granted.

[rreky]

Yes but we should also learn to not abuse God's mercy. Never take him for granted.
Leave that to people with consciences. Not the heathans around us. :rofl:

[Twinkie]

Hear ye Hear ye: "THERE ARE HEATED TIMES IN CARIBYARD!!"

I never got the "bareback" concept, unless you were trying to have a child. :eusa_wall

I mean, has no one ever seen pics of genital warts and herpes and the STD's that megamorph your organs to cauliflower, ginger, corn on the cob??:eusa_sick

I am only 22, my life plans see me with my first child at 28, I have six years to buy a home, buy a car, and find me a HUSBAND. :eusa_danc

It's ideal and realistic. I set these plans from I was 14. I'm sticking to it.

Why can't they????:eusa_snoo

[Gillion]

Hear ye Hear ye: "THERE ARE HEATED TIMES IN CARIBYARD!!"

I never got the "bareback" concept, unless you were trying to have a child. :eusa_wall

I mean, has no one ever seen pics of genital warts and herpes and the STD's that megamorph your organs to cauliflower, ginger, corn on the cob??:eusa_sick

I am only 22, my life plans see me with my first child at 28, I have six years to buy a home, buy a car, and find me a HUSBAND. :eusa_danc

It's ideal and realistic. I set these plans from I was 14. I'm sticking to it.

Why can't they????:eusa_snoo

They didn't plan on living till 28.
They do not see a light at the end of ghetto tunnel
You were edumacated to certain level where you can dream big.

[acidblade]

thats why me love how me stay enuh "no rubbers, no sex" and because of that stand, some of my ex girlfriends have now adapted that view as well, so i've done my community service :D some men need to adapt it as well and live by it and learn how to put on a boots properly, use some strong condoms too

[rreky]

Hear ye Hear ye: "THERE ARE HEATED TIMES IN CARIBYARD!!"

I never got the "bareback" concept, unless you were trying to have a child. :eusa_wall

I mean, has no one ever seen pics of genital warts and herpes and the STD's that megamorph your organs to cauliflower, ginger, corn on the cob??:eusa_sick

I am only 22, my life plans see me with my first child at 28, I have six years to buy a home, buy a car, and find me a HUSBAND. :eusa_danc

It's ideal and realistic. I set these plans from I was 14. I'm sticking to it.

Why can't they????:eusa_snoo
Good for you gurl!

I wonder if there is a higher incidence of STDs in the ghetto too?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Maybe you're the one caught in the Matrix. Brainwashed to believe that all you preach is the only way a person is supposed to act.

You posed a scenario. I proposed a possible and viable solution. Where is the problem in that? All I did was say don't forget about abstininence. What is wrong with that?


Whoever wants to listen listens. Whoever does contrary could possibly have listened and decides they want nothing to do with your message. Doesn't mean you're going to go out and pester them cuz that could do more bad than good in getting them to convert.
I can convert no one. That's God's job. I am expressing my views, which I am entitled to do. Whoever does not like it, can skip over my posts. I think there's an ignore feature somewhere in the control panel. Just add me to your iggy list and you won't have to see my posts anymore.

You people who catch feelings because I speak out against certain things, or bring to light certain things, need to examine yourselves and figure out why it is you are so incensed about what it is I say when I express my view - which no one has to read or listen to. If you don't agree, then just move on. Don't chat rubbish about me pestering you in a public forum which you have option not to read. If you feel pestered, it's because you chose to feel pestered.


You know why they don't abstain? They are pleasing the flesh and the flesh is weak. They don't know how else to be so at least suggest how they can keep themselves alive.
If you could cease from being so hostile for a bit, you'd see that I said the very same thing, and I did suggest a way to deal with it.


I guess you're either void of hormones, castrated, in denial or so filled with the Holy Spirit to tell me you've NEVER thought about sex before you were married.
This is uncalled for, and irrelevant.


Not everyone is as self disciplined as you.
This thread isn't about me.

[rreky]

You posed a scenario. I proposed a possible and viable solution. Where is the problem in that? All I did was say don't forget about abstininence. What is wrong with that?
That wasn't all you said. You made it seem like it's either the righteous, steadfast, almost godlike way or no way is acceptable.



I can convert no one. That's God's job. I am expressing my views, which I am entitled to do. Whoever does not like it, can skip over my posts. I think there's an ignore feature somewhere in the control panel. Just add me to your iggy list and you won't have to see my posts anymore.
Naw... your posts amuse me. I think you have good intentions just some trouble expressing them without seeming like you're the Almighty. You expressing your opinion comes across as condescending and an imposition.


You people who catch feelings because I speak out against certain things, or bring to light certain things, need to examine yourselves and figure out why it is you are so incensed about what it is I say when I express my view - which no one has to read or listen to. If you don't agree, then just move on. Don't chat rubbish about me pestering you in a public forum which you have option not to read. If you feel pestered, it's because you chose to feel pestered.
Why do you have to catch feelings and judge us that our choices are so wrong and we're the worst for it?

If I am chatting rubbish it’s my rubbish to chat and you can’t stop be until I break a rule.


If you could cease from being so hostile for a bit, you'd see that I said the very same thing, and I did suggest a way to deal with it.
Hostile? :rotflm: :icon_lol: :rofl: :dwl: Yeh so anyway... your way to deal with it seems like it relies on some divine intervention.


This is uncalled for, and irrelevant.
Nope, just trying to figure out what your secret is and what makes you so perfect.


This thread isn't about me.
You're right... just your self righteous opinions.

[Jae]

DE JA VU.........:eusa_doh: :eusa_doh:

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak. Courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen."

-Winston Churchill

[BlackCryptoKnight]

There is a lot of social programming to overcome if people are going to get the message about responsible family planning. Like Gillion said, there's so little for a lot of people to look forward to, that they "escape" however they can. For some, sex is their escape, and thoughts of responsibility don't pop up at that time.

It really does seem like divine intervention is necessary sometimes. There are lot of negatives to overcome.

[rreky]

It really does seem like divine intervention is necessary sometimes. There are lot of negatives to overcome.
Amen! Only Gods / goddess or gods can help them to be so perfect.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Maybe you're the one caught in the Matrix. Brainwashed to believe that all you preach is the only way a person is supposed to act.

Whoever wants to listen listens. Whoever does contrary could possibly have listened and decides they want nothing to do with your message. Doesn't mean you're going to go out and pester them cuz that could do more bad than good in getting them to convert.

You know why they don't abstain? They are pleasing the flesh and the flesh is weak. They don't know how else to be so at least suggest how they can keep themselves alive.

I guess you're either void of hormones, castrated, in denial or so filled with the Holy Spirit to tell me you've NEVER thought about sex before you were married.

Not everyone is as self disciplined as you.

Weh yuh really a deal wid? (http://www.caribyard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=52431&postcount=140)

Get your story str8 hon.
:rofl: :dwl: :rotflm:

[rreky]

Been there done that before you even showed the link.
I never said I disagreed with you. It's your punkish attitude I had a problem with. :p

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Been there done that before you even showed the link.
I never said I disagreed with you. It's your punkish attitude I had a problem with. :p

Now who is being judgemental and self -righteous?:dwl: :rofl: :rotflm: :eusa_shif

[bernie]

Now who is being judgemental and self -righteous?:dwl: :rofl: :rotflm: :eusa_shif
hey dude...wazup? i recently heard some gossip.....
someone said you have a punkish attitude....that aint right
the knighted one? cant be no punk....well a suh mi here:confused:

[rreky]

Now who is being judgemental and self -righteous?:dwl: :rofl: :rotflm: :eusa_shif
LOL It's a simple opinion shared by other persons here who just have not had the time to tell it to your face.
Least I not going around and saying I don't have an attitude too.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

LOL It's a simple opinion shared by other persons here who just have not had the time to tell it to your face.
Least I not going around and saying I don't have an attitude too.
Anyways, that's off topic. Fortunately y'alls opinions of me matters not.

Let's get back to the real topic of the discussion. There's been enough distraction.

[Jae]

Yes let's, plz............

[rreky]

Convenient enough...

[bernie]

Fortunately y'alls opinions of me matters not.
:eusa_liar :eusa_liar :icon_lol:
ummm....BCK, dont reply...else you'll only be condoning my going off topic:icon_lol:

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I recall many years ago, there was a big family planning campaign with the slogan "Two is better than too many." Whatever happened to awareness programmes like that? There needs to be more of them so that more people can learn about the various issues surrounding family planning. There's so much negative re-enforcement in the popular culture these days, that there needs to be a strong counter campaign. Otherwise, people aren't going to know about the alternatives which are out there for them.

[rreky]

Do you really believe that lack of education is still the major cause for this overbreeding? Or is it something else?

[Gillion]

so then ... what ideas do people have to "stem the tide ?"

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Do you really believe that lack of education is still the major cause for this overbreeding? Or is it something else?
I think lack of education is a big factor. There are others, as folks like Gillion have pointed out.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

so then ... what ideas do people have to "stem the tide ?"
Like I said, I think a good start would be to bring back those family planning campaigns. I think at the time, they were fairly effective. They employed the popular artists as spokespersons. Ninjaman's "Protection" was released around that time and used as a theme song for the campaign. More stuff like that needs to be done to reach the people with the message of hope, alternatives, choices, good practice, responsible behaviour, and good values.

Then there's the whole economic renewal which aint an easy undertaking.

[Gillion]

Like I said, I think a good start would be to bring back those family planning campaigns. I think at the time, they were fairly effective. They employed the popular artists as spokespersons. Ninjaman's "Protection" was released around that time and used as a theme song for the campaign. More stuff like that needs to be done to reach the people with the message of hope, alternatives, choices, good practice, responsible behaviour, and good values.

Then there's the whole economic renewal which aint an easy undertaking.

Make it simpler ... give people something to live for so that when the think about unwanted pregnancy and realises that this would ruin their chance at the Jamaican Dream, then they protect themselves.

It is because many women and men don't see a bright future. So they live today as if it were their last and whatever come will come.

Give them a hope and a dream where a child would be a "major hurdle" if they had it out of timing.

Teach them.

We also need to rememebr that many "gehtto kids" are being raised by kids themselves ... mothers and fathers between the ages of 16 and 22 who aren't really mature. Neither is grandma who is only 30 and grandpa can't be found any where.

[AngelsKiss]

:icon_arro Gillion

Ahhh my friend, when you decide to use that brain of yours instead of being a royal pain in the butt, there is no stopping you:icon_mrgr ;)

Excellent points:eusa_clap

[Twinkie]

Give them a hope and a dream where a child would be a "major hurdle" if they had it out of timing.
Teach them.
We also need to rememebr that many "gehtto kids" are being raised by kids themselves ... mothers and fathers between the ages of 16 and 22 who aren't really mature. Neither is grandma who is only 30 and grandpa can't be found any where.
Gillion I was just checking out your pic in the Pic thread, Now i know why your head so...round:rotflm: You go Boy!!!:eusa_clap :eusa_clap

[rreky]

I think lack of education is a big factor. There are others, as folks like Gillion have pointed out.
Do you think education can replace lack of common sense and insecurity?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Do you think education can replace lack of common sense and insecurity?
What is common sense? It's knowledge right? How do you get knowledge? Education right? You can get education through experience, or you can be taught. If you are more educated, you are better equipped to deal with life right? If you are better equipped to deal with life, and you know this, then your confidence increases right? If your confidence increases, then your insecurity decreases right?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Make it simpler ... give people something to live for so that when the think about unwanted pregnancy and realises that this would ruin their chance at the Jamaican Dream, then they protect themselves.

It is because many women and men don't see a bright future. So they live today as if it were their last and whatever come will come.

Give them a hope and a dream where a child would be a "major hurdle" if they had it out of timing.

Teach them.

We also need to rememebr that many "gehtto kids" are being raised by kids themselves ... mothers and fathers between the ages of 16 and 22 who aren't really mature. Neither is grandma who is only 30 and grandpa can't be found any where.

What's the hope and dream that should be given to them?
Many have hopes and dreams of being rich and blinged out. Is that sufficient?

[Gillion]

:icon_arro Gillion

Ahhh my friend, when you decide to use that brain of yours instead of being a royal pain in the butt, there is no stopping you:icon_mrgr ;)

Excellent points:eusa_clap

Of course you realise payback is a brute... (damn word filter)

[Gillion]

What's the hope and dream that should be given to them?
Many have hopes and dreams of being rich and blinged out. Is that sufficient?
See there you go again with the one track mind.

I would say forget the many that want to be rich and blinged out ... but since you chosse to point out that group ...

The bling out is only a symptom rasta.

A symptom of the society in which they are in where they are "RESPEKTED" according to how much they have and how they show it.

A society where when they are spoken to by the police is a "Hey dutty gyal whe you a go wid you wh0ring self ?"

Yet the same cops speak to people who are from Uptown ... "good night mamm ... care to tell us what you are doing on the stree this time of night ?"

They see the bling out DJ/DON/Promoter/Higgler and how the cops talk to them ... "respeke boss ... you deh pon bussiness right now dem time a night cause the road kinna hot ?"

These kids want to buy respect.

they equate being poor with being NOBODY

Given the chance to see that respect can be earned in other ways most kids won't be bothered with the "bling bling."

Showing them that they are TRULY of WORTH to SOCIETY and not just another poor buttu ... they will not need the bling.

Gehtto girls and boys only gravitate to bling as psychological PROP to help them COPE with the environment they are in.

They live in a world where growing old is not a sure thing much less even if they do they aren't even sure they will grow with dignity.

I remember in high school one guy, when asked why he stole some sneakers and stuff, why he did it ... his reply WHEN MI GET SHOT MI NUH WA'NN FI DEAD INN A DI STREET BARE FOOT

[BlackCryptoKnight]

See there you go again with the one track mind.

I would say forget the many that want to be rich and blinged out ... but since you chosse to point out that group ...

The bling out is only a symptom rasta.

A symptom of the society in which they are in where they are "RESPEKTED" according to how much they have and how they show it.

A society where when they are spoken to by the police is a "Hey dutty gyal whe you a go wid you wh0ring self ?"

Yet the same cops speak to people who are from Uptown ... "good night mamm ... care to tell us what you are doing on the stree this time of night ?"

They see the bling out DJ/DON/Promoter/Higgler and how the cops talk to them ... "respeke boss ... you deh pon bussiness right now dem time a night cause the road kinna hot ?"

These kids want to buy respect.

they equate being poor with being NOBODY

Given the chance to see that respect can be earned in other ways most kids won't be bothered with the "bling bling."

Showing them that they are TRULY of WORTH to SOCIETY and not just another poor buttu ... they will not need the bling.

Gehtto girls and boys only gravitate to bling as psychological PROP to help them COPE with the environment they are in.

They live in a world where growing old is not a sure thing much less even if they do they aren't even sure they will grow with dignity.

I remember in high school one guy, when asked why he stole some sneakers and stuff, why he did it ... his reply WHEN MI GET SHOT MI NUH WA'NN FI DEAD INN A DI STREET BARE FOOT

So what is the hope and the dream they need to be provided with?
What is it that will motivate them to be more responsible with their family planning?

[Gillion]

So what is the hope and the dream they need to be provided with?
What is it that will motivate them to be more responsible with their family planning?

Dude ... I asked you first ... and you are dodging.

But from where I sit.


HAVE YOU EVEVR BEEN DEEPLY DEPRESSED ?

Listen ...

Most people want a decent house, good food, easy transport to and from their bussiness, MEDICAL AND SECURITY services that work for them where they aren't treated lowly because of they economical status.

They want social respect and status in a highly classist society where they do not feel bothered that they didn't go to Campion or do not live in Cherry Gardens.

These need to see that they are HUMAN BEINGS OF WORTH TO JAMAICA ... and only a good teacher can help people who are in the dark about this.

Until they can even understand this ... most people are going to live one day at a time in a very rough manner.

[AngelsKiss]

Of course you realise payback is a brute... (damn word filter)
Thou shall not be vindictive :)

[Manu]

Ratings to you Gilly......very insightful!

[Twinkie]

Gillion Gillion, me like whe yah go still. Esp wid de "respek by bling" theory. A so it go fe real. When dem turn bad man, dem know de difference between fear and respect.

Their mothers, bredren dem fear the gun man, ano dat some a dem want is the R-E-S-P-E-C-T. If a promoter fe a regular street dance live inna him tenement yaad and de likkle yute see seh babylon a give de promoter his dues, him ago want do dat too. To get a little dues.

Him nuh want him modda fear him, of fe fear him life every night him outta road cause him tun bad man.

[easyskanka]

What is common sense? It's knowledge right? How do you get knowledge? Education right? You can get education through experience, or you can be taught. If you are more educated, you are better equipped to deal with life right? If you are better equipped to deal with life, and you know this, then your confidence increases right? If your confidence increases, then your insecurity decreases right?

common sense,normal good sense in practical matters,gained by experience of life not by special study.taken from the oxford dictionary(old editon,but the meaning has/will not change)

[Twinkie]

What is common sense? It's knowledge right? How do you get knowledge? Education right? You can get education through experience, or you can be taught?
Apperantly not, at least not by the previous definition. Afterall, Easysanka is from England, the place where the language of english was borned:rofl: :rotflm: