Notcanada.com

[AngelsKiss]

Check this out. It's pretty much as they say. The sad thing is that many Canadian (white Canadians) are not aware of how we end up in Canada. They pretty much think that most of us are refugees or some sort of immigrant who enter the system free of charge and are dependent on Canada.

Not Canada (http://notcanada.com/)

Many like myself have been fortunate to survived this harsh system. However, too many out there are suffering and finding it hard to make ends meet. These are people who are educated and highly qualified.

Having said that, I wouldn't discourage any one from coming. You never know what your destiny holds, so it could work for you like it has for many of us.

[AngelsKiss]

This was on WFive recently:

Broken Promises (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051119/w5_broken_promises_051119/20051119?hub=WFive)

[Bahama Mama]

That article pricked my memory about a news special surrounding the disappointments of immigration to Canada, that is supposed to be airing on CTV's W-5 this Sunday I believe. I may have missed it, not sure.

But in essence, that article does hold a lot of truth to it, though I dont agree with the #3 point (Canada lacking culture). From my observation that is not true.

Canada is not the land of opportunity like that of the US if you are an immigrant. I have spoken to a few highly educated immigrants who lament the fact that they cannot find a job in their field. What is ironic, is that Canada is suffering from underpopulation and desperately requires skilled workers in every field especially medecine. In addition to this purported 'brain drain' to the US by their own natural born citizens, Canada wont have any competitive edge with their neigbour to the South.

What I know for a fact though, is that many natural born Canadians, are afraid that immigrants will take away their jobs. That is where some of the resistance and red tape originates when it comes to immigrants and job opportunities.


In any event, the only other alternative for many immigrants would be the US. I personally believe there is more opportunity there, but with the US tightening its reins on immigration since 911, many immigrants are gonna find themeselves between a rock and a hard place.

[AngelsKiss]

:icon_arro BM

When you say it doesn't hold a lot of truth, what precisely are you refering to. With the exception of the cultural issues, could you provide examples of what is not true?

Also are you familiar with the Canadian professional immigration process?

[Chicokid]

I understand that people from the far east can pay CAN$100,000 for citizenship in Canada and obtain a Canadian passport.

[Bahama Mama]

:icon_arro BM

When you say it doesn't hold a lot of truth, what precisely are you refering to. With the exception of the cultural issues, could you provide examples of what is not true?

The article mentioned that Canada has no culture, which in my estimation is quite impossible for any country. I dont think that point served any real purpose for the true essence of the article which is to outline the struggles of immigrants trying to assimilate themselves into the Canadian workforce. That point seemed a bit like bashing to me.



Also are you familiar with the Canadian professional immigration process?

No I am not intimately familiar with it. I talk from the perspective of a visa student here in Canada. That has its own set of limitations as far as it cocerns job opportunities after graduation.

[AngelsKiss]

:icon_arro BM

When you say it doesn't hold a lot of truth, what precisely are you refering to. With the exception of the cultural issues, could you provide examples of what is not true?

Also are you familiar with the Canadian professional immigration process?

:icon_arro BM
Sorry I just realised you said it hold a lot of truth and not the above.

:icon_arro Chico

I don't know about being able to buy a Canadian Citizenship for $100,000. However as I pointed out there is a program for professionals. It does not cost $100,000, but you do have to pay plus you have to have at least CDN$10,000 before you can enter Canada. I think it may be more than $10,000 by now tho.

[AngelsKiss]

The article mentioned that Canada has no culture, which in my estimation is quite impossible for any country. I dont think that point served any real purpose for the true essence of the article which is to outline the struggles of immigrants trying to assimilate themselves into the Canadian workforce. That point seemed a bit like bashing to me.

Actually I do understand what he meant when he said it has no culture. It may not be entirely correct but it does bare some merit. Some of what passes for Canadian culture seems to have been adopted from the USA.

However, I think that isn't the problem really. I think the problem is that when you come to a country like Canada, it is hard to assimilate in the culture simply because Canadaian culture is not necessarily the most friendliest. It is very difficult to make friends here with those out side your own group. It is double worst because of the multicultural dynamics.

[Gillion]

LEt it be said that AMERICA was built on the backs of slaves and immigrants.

People like Albert Einstein or Werner Von Braun.

That whole nation is one big immigrant pool ... and it used this advantage to grow.

Canada is being ANAL

[Gillion]

http://www.caribbeanmedicine.com/notcanada/photo3.jpg

[AngelsKiss]

Canadian Professional Program

What is it?

I will try to explain it here as best as I can.

Basically, it’s a program that allows people with a professional background to enter Canada. You must have a degree or a professional certification and some years of experience. As the article indicates its base on a points system which you can calculate for yourself before applying. In fact you are told to do so before applying so you don’t waste your money.

The application is extremely detailed in that they want to know every school you have ever attended, ever address you have lived at and all work related details. You have to submit a detailed job description from your work place. Just so you know they verify all information sent to them. You also have to submit a police record and if you are accepted you also have to do their medical testing.

When I applied, the cost of the application was $CDN500 for each member of your family that is applying. If you are accepted you pay an additional $975/per person to land. You are also required to give them detail info on your finances since you must have at least CDN$10,000 to enter the country. When you land you have to show them the $10,000 at the immigration. This is $10,000 per each adult member of your family and I thin it’s either $1,000 or 2,000 for each child. For some people you have to go thru an interview at the Canadian High Commission before they approve or reject your application.

The problem with the system is that they insist on certain qualification and experience and you are not told that those said qualification and experience will not hold up in Canada. When you get here, too often you are told you cannot get a job because you do no have Canadian experience or qualification. It’s an expensive country to live in, so you go thru your savings very quickly.

Canada does need immigrant…in fact Canada’s second highest foreign exchange earner is from immigrants. The housing industry here is doing well because of immigrants.

[AngelsKiss]

LEt it be said that AMERICA was built on the backs of slaves and immigrants.

People like Albert Einstein or Werner Von Braun.

That whole nation is one big immigrant pool ... and it used this advantage to grow.

Canada is being ANAL
That's the problem, in the USA they will give you the job because they want to make money. So you have a shot at making something of yourself. Here not so...they don't really care, they just want the money that immigrants bring in and for them to do the menial jobs. Believe it or not the immigrant population is more educated than Canadians and this I read on their govt website when I was applying.

[Gillion]

It is as bad as JAPAN.

JAPAN puts people through the wringer to protect its "native citizens" from an influx of foriegn labour, yet they need it because JAPANS population is getting old.

[Gillion]

BAH ... they will never sucker me to go there unless they have a JOB already lined up for me.

I hate the cold and as far as I am concerned Canada is still a backwoods thridworld nation parading as a first world one simply because it has a large white population.

[Gillion]

But when I tink about it it makes sense to have a highly educated menial labourere. ... when you get educated people to do menial jobs and live as borderline poor ... you control crime in a sick way.

educated people are most likley to go back home than to become criminals.

so in a sense this is a brilliant strategy on their part.

I mean what better way to have a working class made of an orderly controled labour pool than to have it composed of a highly educated lower class !

[Xenocrates]

I mean what better way to have a working class made of an orderly controled labour pool than to have it composed of a highly educated lower class !

- You're quite right gillion. Checkout reason # 8:


The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

- China anyone? :icon_mrgr

[Bahama Mama]

- China anyone? :icon_mrgr

Actually Asia in general appears to have a booming job market, and alot of Westerners are taking up opportunities there. I had a friend that recently left to teach English in Japan. In fact alot of graduates here in Canada go off teach English for a year in Asia. Apparently the money is really good, and the demand for English teachers in Asia is even greater. I guess the only setback would be trying to conform to the culture and society, which I believe would be alot harder for a Westerner.

[AngelsKiss]

Actually Asia in general appears to have a booming job market, and alot of Westerners are taking up opportunities there. I had a friend that recently left to teach English in Japan. In fact alot of graduates here in Canada go off teach English for a year in Asia. Apparently the money is really good, and the demand for English teachers in Asia is even greater. I guess the only setback would be trying to conform to the culture and society, which I believe would be alot harder for a Westerner.


:icon_arro BM

TESL & TOFLE teachers have been around for a long time. Basically they pay you a salary and provide housing and some health benefits.

The requirements now in most cases are a Bachelors Degree and either the TESL or TOFLE certification.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

A friend of mine was considering migrating to Canada once, and he went over there to scout things out. He calculated that based on the cost of living, and factoring in the weather, he'd be better off staying at home in Jamaica. He said that the salaries there in Canada appeared to be pretty much on par with those out here in Jamaica after conversion. Is this really the case?

[AngelsKiss]

A friend of mine was considering migrating to Canada once, and he went over there to scout things out. He calculated that based on the cost of living, and factoring in the weather, he'd be better off staying at home in Jamaica. He said that the salaries there in Canada appeared to be pretty much on par with those out here in Jamaica after conversion. Is this really the case?
It depends on the job you are doing. In any event, the cost of living here is so high that you are probably better off in Jamaica.

For example, labour cost here is high. In Jamaica, I had household help, some one to cut my grass and some one to wash my car. You gotta to be rich just to have household help here.

I feel it more for the families with young kids. They have to fork over a lot of money for baby sitters and day cares. The baby sitters are a bit cheaper, about $100 - $150/week/child. No wonder Canadians do nothave kids:)

The Indians fair out well since they usually have help from grandparents, etc.

[Greatis]

hmmm jeez why am I like this. Anyways I like Canada's way of protecting their native citizens. It is rather harsh on immigrants and they feel the slack but a country has to protect it's assests or what it deems it's assets. In this case Canada deems it's native citizens it's assets and they are protecting it in a very harsh but effective way.

[Greatis]

To boot they are making aproximately 2.5 billion dollars a year now that's business.

[easyskanka]

To boot they are making aproximately 2.5 billion dollars a year now that's business.

But not fair business! I don't know if you've lived abroad for any period of time Greatis,but discrimination is a vile and detestable attribute to practice:eusa_hand

[Greatis]

no I haven't lived abroad easyshanka but I did state that it is rather an harsh practice. However I believe if someone knowingly goes into particular situations knowing the possible outcomes, whichever one it maybe is justified.

Now discrimination is rampant intoday's society. I find it here enven in Jamaica, Kingston Jamaica. Monetgo Bay, Jamaica. Now it'sd a choice that people make to go into these societies that are less tolerant of other nationalities. So complaining is not something one should do when found in some circumstances.

You may use ignorance as a factor saying some are brainwashed funny thing is I am not brainwashed, neither was AngelKiss nor Bahama Mama from how they relate so the information is out there.

[easyskanka]

:icon_arro Point taken Greatis,but neither BM nor AK are personally complaining about discrimination.They are however well aware of it's existence. The complaint about discrimination which is closely allied to racism,is that it is against the laws of most, if not all first world countries.It is of course generally lip service alone and not always followed as the matter of law it should be.

[AngelsKiss]

hmmm jeez why am I like this. Anyways I like Canada's way of protecting their native citizens. It is rather harsh on immigrants and they feel the slack but a country has to protect it's assests or what it deems it's assets. In this case Canada deems it's native citizens it's assets and they are protecting it in a very harsh but effective way.
1) The true natives are the Innuits (Eskimos) and they are not protected. They are treatly badly.
2) It's one thing to claim you are protecting your citizens, but don't bring in people under false pretense.
3) It makes no sense bringing in qualified and experience people and then claim you have a shortage of people in certain areas like medicine. Canada has many qualified doctors driving taxis. So much so one govt personnel made the comment that if he had a heart attack in a taxi he would feel safe because there is a high chance that the driver is a doctor.
4) Many Canadians, in particular white Canadians are neither qualified or competent to do the jobs or not as competent as many of the immigrants. This is 1 reason why they lag behind the US. The US bring in qualified and competent ppl and give them the jobs, even if they don't like the colour of their skins. In the it's all about making money for the companies.

BTW Canada not only bring in professional ppl because they want to keep crime down, they mostly bring them in for revenue purposes. The housing industry here is on the boom because of immigrant. From this a lot of other jobs are created. The universities are also packed because of immigrants.

[Greatis]

true easyshanka but one thing is for certain discrimination is human nature. Whether it be law we will all continue to discriminate. We discriminate in the partners we choose the people we associate with etc. It has become natural. For this to change it will take a miracle.

[easyskanka]

true easyshanka but one thing is for certain discrimination is human nature. Whether it be law we will all continue to discriminate. We discriminate in the partners we choose the people we associate with etc. It has become natural. For this to change it will take a miracle.

Yes it would take a miracle but it is well within our capabilities to achieve such a goal. When you believe in something,you must continually strive toward that goal,and not just be prepared to accept things as they are.

[Chris]

In view of another thread that I came across, I'm wondering what are your current views on this topic? Do you all (most of you) still hold an anti-Canadian posture?

[Malloc-X]

im wondering the same thing chris, the last post was 3 years ago, so im wondering if things have changed by now

[Chris]

im wondering the same thing chris, the last post was 3 years ago, so im wondering if things have changed by nowyeah true, a lot has happened in the last 3 years. Let's hear if things have changed persons opinions.

[Virus]

I'd still give Jamaica the boot and go to canada or usa.. the exchange rate is never going to get any better.

From $72 to $76.. i last heard it was at $78 for 1 USD

[Manu]

Could never migrate permanently... but I would leave for a few years then come back.

[Chris]

Could never migrate permanently... but I would leave for a few years then come back.Quite a few persons I know have said that ... and many years later they're still "coming back".

[Cocoa]

Could never migrate permanently... but I would leave for a few years then come back.Never say never..............the grass no always greener, but for some its better.

[Manu]

Haffi come back a yard. I always get homesick after 2 weeks. I don't know. Maybe it because I know too much of what is out there. Jamaica is pretty safe compared to other places. Yes we have crime... but that's just one thing to worry about.

[Chris]

Yes we have crime... but that's just one thing to worry about.Not too clear on this. Are you saying that's the ONLY thing we have to worry about? :eusa_thin

[gucci man]

right yah now, canada a better place than JA anyday! I know we have "fun" here but u can have fun in CANDA once u get used to the culture. It's a culture shift that always hard to get used to. Esp if u go there by uself which i dont recommed. Better to team up with a wifey who qualified and cut.

But u can have fun and recreation in canada too. Go hiking, watch out for the brown bear and snakes... lol just blend in.

Canada has the greatest opportunity right now, lots of inhabited land like US was couple hundred years ago. SO as soon as i'm in a position to migrate i will do so. I wont even look a job there i'll start my own bizniz or something

[Manu]

Chris what is there to worry about? I'm not just talking murder... I'm talking blue collar crime too... money laundering... embezzlement... fraud... the whole nine yards. Apart from Economic pitfalls, our country is rather safe. The occasional hurricane, earthquake or drought is manageable. We have money here but its just not being spent wisely. We don't have any dangerous indigenous animals except the Crocodile. We don't have Tornadoes, heat waves, Blizzards... terrorist attacks... Tsunamis.... all the other crap. Maybe I'm missing something....