Carib-Stone poll

[gucci man]

Who will you vote for the next election (even if u cant vote, just answer)

[silentburn]

:D Carib Stone pole! HAHA. Good one Gucci Man.

Good idea, and people, even if you're not going to vote in the election, still participate in the pole and select the party you would want to see leading the country for the next term.

[bernie]

Is it ok to excersize my right.....not to vote?

[recursion]

Why is this poll public?

[smiles]

U know open-voting is illegal right?:icon_eek:

[mead]

A which idiot vote fi PNP?

[Chris]

Why is this poll public?Taken care of ... we want free and fair elections and people to be free from fear :)

[Arch_Angel]

A which idiot vote fi PNP?:dwl::rofl::dwl:


Why is this poll public?LoL! Gucci looking to deal wid those who doesn't vote for his party. Hoping you all won't notice it was public after you vote. :icon_lol:

[gucci man]

yeah, which eeediot vote pnp?? lol.

I'm conducting a real pole myself with some others (not in my area) and i am barely finding any PNP supporters Most PNP are changing to JLP saying that they were let down.

I cannot disclose where the pole is being carried out

[Justice]

A which idiot vote fi PNP?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=gucci man;130812]yeah, which eeediot vote pnp?? lol.
I'm conducting a real pole myself with some others (not in my area) and i am barely finding any PNP supporters Most PNP are changing to JLP saying that they were let down.

I cannot disclose where the pole is being carried out

People have a right to vote for who they want to vote for :thumbsdown:. And since this is a poll, I would hope people wouldn’t lie about their voting preference. At the end of the day we will need to work with those “idiots” :rotflm: :rotflm: for the betterment of this country.

[nuhsenutten]

yeah, which eeediot vote pnp?? lol.

I'm conducting a real pole myself with some others (not in my area) and i am barely finding any PNP supporters Most PNP are changing to JLP saying that they were let down.

I cannot disclose where the pole is being carried out

DIS EEDIAT DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THE PNP......YAH ..SO WHA

if u did expect everybody fi say labourite why bother with the polls.......dem win by default if thats the case.....

mayb they say jlp because they hear everyone else saying it come election day its a different story...........


the only thing i c the jlp do is oppose....they never proposing to do anything b4 election time ....so i propose they continue opposing. dat me say

[Arch_Angel]

if u did expect everybody fi say labourite why bother with the polls.......dem win by default if thats the case.....And since prophecy declare seh PNP a go win, we can close dis thread now right? :rotflm::jestera: :eusa_shif

[BlackCryptoKnight]

DIS EEDIAT DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THE PNP......YAH ..SO WHA

if u did expect everybody fi say labourite why bother with the polls.......dem win by default if thats the case.....

mayb they say jlp because they hear everyone else saying it come election day its a different story...........


the only thing i c the jlp do is oppose....they never proposing to do anything b4 election time ....so i propose they continue opposing. dat me say


And since prophecy declare seh PNP a go win, we can close dis thread now right? :rotflm::jestera: :eusa_shif

:dwl::haha::hysteria:

[Justice]

DIS EEDIAT DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THE PNP......YAH ..SO WHA

if u did expect everybody fi say labourite why bother with the polls.......dem win by default if thats the case.....

mayb they say jlp because they hear everyone else saying it come election day its a different story...........


the only thing i c the jlp do is oppose....they never proposing to do anything b4 election time ....so i propose they continue opposing. dat me say

Tell them like it is NH; stand up for your right to vote for who you want to! But next time try not to concur with them calling you “EEDIAT” :rofl:

Caribyard is always so much fun.

[gucci man]

come on man, i never mean it to be offensive. You are entitled to your vote.
Now the next thing is why election date set right b4 school open....clashing with orientation period for many schools.

I guess sister p is using how power as she ought to, if bruce was to do this i guess he would've chosen an uncomfortable date for the pnp as well (if he is in power)

But i agree with bruce that the election date must be fixed

[Manu]

There are cons with a fixed election date. We may have year long campaigning as a result. Unless it is mandated also that there should be no campaigning before the month of elections... but ofcourse they will find ways to get around it.

[gucci man]

on the contrary, i think they wont have a year long campaign as it would cost too much. I think you would instead have better planned and managed campaigns

[Chris]

A fixed election date will allow for all Jamaicans to plan better and also prevent any party from drawing a card out of their hat at the last minute to "improve their odds".

[nuhsenutten]

A fixed election date will allow for all Jamaicans to plan better and also prevent any party from drawing a card out of their hat at the last minute to "improve their odds".

if ew have a fixed election date there will also have to be a fixed period where campaigning startssay two months or so.....

[gucci man]

if ew have a fixed election date there will also have to be a fixed period where campaigning startssay two months or so.....

maybe and maybe not, cuz the period of campaigning has something to do with campaign budget

[Manu]

Maybe they should cap campaign budget too.... wah unu think?

[ramesh]

Maybe they should cap campaign budget too.... wah unu think? Doesn't work. They tried it in the US and all it did was increase the number of "unaffiliated" groups that campaigned for them.

[Manu]

LOL..... aww bwoy.


A good government shouldn't need to campaign. By their fruits, we shall know them.

[nuhsenutten]

LOL..... aww bwoy.


A good government shouldn't need to campaign. By their fruits, we shall know them.

iwasnt aware we had ne of those out here

[Justice]

DIS EEDIAT DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THE PNP......YAH ..SO WHA
if u did expect everybody fi say labourite why bother with the polls.......dem win by default if thats the case.....

mayb they say jlp because they hear everyone else saying it come election day its a different story...........


the only thing i c the jlp do is oppose....they never proposing to do anything b4 election time ....so i propose they continue opposing. dat me say





LOL..... aww bwoy.


A good government shouldn't need to campaign. By their fruits, we shall know them.




iwasnt aware we had ne of those out here


:eusa_thin :eusa_thin

[nuhsenutten]

:eusa_thin :eusa_thin

the grass aint greener on the other side of the fence from where i stand :icon_mrgr

[gucci man]

i heard someone on perkings talking that jamaicans (pnp ones) think like slaves back in the days. They never wanted freedom because backra maasa was taking care of them, therefor it kinda hard for sam sharpe to influence them.

To sum it up, it's somewhat of a "comfort zone" that they living on. Remember people, no risk = no reward.

[Cocoa]

A bere laborite deh yah man. :rotflm::rotflm:

POWA!!!! ova SHOWA!!!DEM SEH...:eusa_shhh:eusa_shhh

BTW....whappen to the NDM?

[bernie]

the grass aint greener on the other side of the fence from where i stand :icon_mrgr

Change your position yute! :p


BTW....whappen to the NDM?

Who are they? :eusa_thin

[nuhsenutten]

Change your position yute! :p





not changing no course........................lol

[bernie]

not changing no course........................lol

I see you're proud of the direction you are heading...right? :icon_twis

[Manu]

Green is the universal colour of prosperity. Orange mean it rusty or rotten.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Mould is green, isn't it? :eusa_thin

[Justice]

You know what is amazing? A large percentage of the people at the bottom of the ladder seem to love this government. Its like they have become accustom to mediocrity, they don’t know what it is like to think outside of the box.

How can people want to stay a course that have a 1000 Jamaicans dying each year, an ever escalating trade deficit, fiscal deficit and debt to GDP (among the myriad of other problems we have)? I heard the minister of Justice AJ Nicolson telling some comrades in St. Elizabeth that if they want road and water they should vote for Kern Spencer (the PNP candidate). All this after Roger Clark has been MP for the constituency since 1989.

This is a slap in the face of the intelligent people of this country. I feel like Jamaica has become laa laa land. This is unacceptable from a minister, but alas, the intelligentsia of this country is silent and the dunce is left to rule.

[Manu]

Mould is green, isn't it? :eusa_thin


Yes mould is a fungus and that means another organism is thriving. :icon_mrgr

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Yes mould is a fungus and that means another organism is thriving. :icon_mrgr
The mould thrives while the entity it grows on decomposes right? :eusa_thin

[Manu]

Yes.. waste matter decomposes to avoid diseases and provide food for lower organisms which in turn provide nutrients for plants... which is the primary producer. Circle of Life BCK.

[rodalembs]

I heard the minister of Justice AJ Nicolson telling some comrades in St. Elizabeth that if they want road and water they should vote for Kern Spencer (the PNP candidate). All this after Roger Clark has been MP for the constituency since 1989.


I question this, as the are from Two diffrent Constituencies.., Kern replaces Danny Buck! ...

Frankly, we have had significant challenges for the past 18yrs, but it has not all been bad. Difficult as it has been the country is really postioned for future growth. What needs to happen is that we need to re-develope the spirit of nationalism again, where we beleive in the "brand Jamaica"

The problem we have is that too many person have become, "Monday Morning QB's" in the political process, many of our professionals are no commital and that is one of the main reason why politics thrive on the underbelly of our society. Advantage is taken of the underprivialged and the "greedy".

I my estimation though, for better or for worse, it will be PNP again, frankly, if the JLP want's people to change course, then the need to find an better alternative, cuz Bruce ain't it. Also, Jamaica is PNP country, the nation only votes anti-PNP when they are signifcanlty dissatisfied with them; and i don't thing the nation is there yet!

[Justice]

I question this, as the are from Two diffrent Constituencies.., Kern replaces Danny Buck! ...

Hello youngster ‘just come to politics’, Rev Stanley Redwood is replacing Danny buck. Not Kern Spencer. Christopher Tufton is running in the constituency Danny buck use to run.


Frankly, we have had significant challenges for the past 18yrs, but it has not all been bad. Difficult as it has been the country is really postioned for future growth. What needs to happen is that we need to re-develope the spirit of nationalism again, where we beleive in the "brand Jamaica"

Nobody said it was all bad. It’s just that some among us believe that we deserve better leaders and not mediocrity. The country is not positioned for no growth, every year we are told that the country is position for a take off. Apparently the plane runs out of oil because we are yet to take off. Countries like the Bahamas, Barbados and the Cayman Island are growing at 6 and 8 percent and we are staggering at 2.4% (the highest growth under this government since 1993). What do they have that we don’t have? Or rather what is it that we have that they don’t? An incompetent government?


The problem we have is that too many person have become, "Monday Morning QB's" in the political process, many of our professionals are no commital and that is one of the main reason why politics thrive on the underbelly of our society. Advantage is taken of the underprivialged and the "greedy".

That we can agree on. However, when we have so-call intelligent people thinking that we can do much worst than we are doing, then those intelligent people will only prolong the agony of the rest of us.


I my estimation though, for better or for worse, it will be PNP again

“For better or for worse, it will be PNP again”? What kind of thinking that? You sound like one of those people who say that if they put dog in the constituency you will support the dog, IGNORANCE.


frankly, if the JLP want's people to change course, then the need to find an better alternative, cuz Bruce ain't it

So I see you have some personal issues against Bruce, not what he is saying but just because he is who he is…



Also, Jamaica is PNP country, the nation only votes anti-PNP when they are signifcanlty dissatisfied with them; and i don't thing the nation is there yet!

Such a statement, Poor thing, I pity the fools whose mind is lock in a box. But you have your opinion and I guess that’s yours.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Bwoy, Justice sound kinda bitter still. I hope he'll be ok if his team doesn't win ... again. :eusa_thin

:hysteria:

[Manu]

Justice... he is just the voice of the most people in Jamaica... and that is why PNP is still in power and may very well win again.

[Justice]

Bwoy, Justice sound kinda bitter still. I hope he'll be ok if his team doesn't win ... again. :eusa_thin

:hysteria:

You always trying to read into things I say, it seems you have a link with Dr. Phinn. I am never bitter, never angry. One thing you don’t understand, any party in power benefits me. I have friends on both sides of the fence, if this government remains in power I can continue keep my head in the ‘trough’, if the government change maybe the entire country can move forward and we all benefit. Either way, I win. It’s the poor saps at the bottom I feel sorry for.



Justice... he is just the voice of the most people in Jamaica... and that is why PNP is still in power and may very well win again.

I agree he is the voice of most people in this country (and without correlation); the majority of people in this country are marginally intelligent.

[gucci man]

As i said earlier, it is the comfort zone that jamaicans are in why pnp still in power. They fear to take the risk of putting JLP in power. But i will take that risk, if after 5 years they do worse then we put PNP back in power. 5 years vs 18? good risk in my opinion. I say let's do this. Vote JLP and give change a chance

[Manu]

As i said earlier, it is the comfort zone that jamaicans are in why pnp still in power. They fear to take the risk of putting JLP in power. But i will take that risk, if after 5 years they do worse then we put PNP back in power. 5 years vs 18? good risk in my opinion. I say let's do this. Vote JLP and give change a chance

That's what I been saying from the dawn of time. I heard alot of people are scared they will lose their jobs too. The thing is... it's an every man for himself mentality. Once they're happy... no compassion for their fellow man who is struggling.

[mead]

As i said earlier, it is the comfort zone that jamaicans are in why pnp still in power. They fear to take the risk of putting JLP in power. But i will take that risk, if after 5 years they do worse then we put PNP back in power. 5 years vs 18? good risk in my opinion. I say let's do this. Vote JLP and give change a chance

:eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

[Master E]

mi a wear beige

[prodmaster]

I have an important question what if when the poll closes on Election Day there is a 30/30?
:icon_eek: :eusa_whis

[rodalembs]

I have an important question what if when the poll closes on Election Day there is a 30/30?
:icon_eek: :eusa_whis

Hmm.. very interesting... possibly coalition Govt. I will research and get back to you.

[rodalembs]

So I see you have some personal issues against Bruce, not what he is saying but just because he is who he is…

Nope,not at all Mr. Golding is of my alma mater and intelligent man, He just does not have what it takes to be PM. (as a Peter Phillips or Omar Davies). The nature of Caribbean politics, is that we look for a "messianic leader"
(e.g Cheddi Jagan, NW Manley, Michale "jousha" Manley, Eric Williams). There is just some thing that people look for in a PM, Bruce just does not have it.




Such a statement, Poor thing, I pity the fools whose mind is lock in a box. But you have your opinion and I guess that’s yours.


14 - National Elections since 1944 Seven to Six PNP over JLP. Since independence the JLP has only formed the govt three times. 1962-1967' 1980, 1983.

The JLP has only once given a Two Term Mandate, when contesting any other party. (1962-1967) 1983 was default, as they alone run.

Jamaica is PNP Country.!!!

[bernie]

14 - National Elections since 1944 Seven to Six PNP over JLP. Since independence the JLP has only formed the govt three times. 1962-1967' 1980, 1983.

The JLP has only once given a Two Term Mandate, when contesting any other party. (1962-1967) 1983 was default, as they alone run.

Jamaica is PNP Country.!!!

O what is being suggested then, by this bit of information? Should we throw our hands up with a sigh of **whatever** because it's a PNP country? What are you really trying to say?

[rodalembs]

O what is being suggested then, by this bit of information? Should we throw our hands up with a sigh of **whatever** because it's a PNP country? What are you really trying to say?

Not telling anyone, to do a thing, the expression of your vote is a entrenched rigth under the ROPA. If you read further back my response was directed at what justice said. The fact is, that only when there is significant dissent and clear demarcations between the parties, does the vote swing to the JLP. Check the voting pattern and u will understand what i am saying.

[Justice]

Nope,not at all Mr. Golding is of my alma mater and intelligent man, He just does not have what it takes to be PM. (as a Peter Phillips or Omar Davies). The nature of Caribbean politics, is that we look for a "messianic leader"
(e.g Cheddi Jagan, NW Manley, Michale "jousha" Manley, Eric Williams). There is just some thing that people look for in a PM, Bruce just does not have it.



In other words you are saying that Jamaicans are too dunce to choose a leader that is intelligent and not charismatic?

I don’t get the highlighted part of that statement. Are you saying that Omar Davies and Peter Philips would be a better suited prime minister than Bruce?

[rodalembs]

In other words you are saying that Jamaicans are too dunce to choose a leader that is intelligent and not charismatic?

Is not a matter of dunce, is the nature of our political past. The "pork barrel politics", permeates Caribbean politics.



I don’t get the highlighted part of that statement. Are you saying that Omar Davies and Peter Phillips would be a better suited prime minister than Bruce?

No, they like Bruce, are not popular choices for PM, because of their "style"(I add Dr. Ken Baugh to the list too). While they are very bright men, the come of as out of touch with the people.
Whatever your opinion about P.J. is PJ is a political animal, same Eddie, bright men, but they know how to dog fight in the trenches and connect with the people.

I think one of the best politicians in the JLP, is Karl Samuda, i wonder why he never wanted to lead the party?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I think one of the best politicians in the JLP, is Karl Samuda, i wonder why he never wanted to lead the party?

Couldn't make up his mind which one to lead ... :eusa_wall

[Justice]

Is not a matter of dunce, is the nature of our political past. The "pork barrel politics", permeates Caribbean politics.

The nature of our politics? It still boils down to them being dunce. Anybody who will sell their vote or let handout influence their decision is a dunce. People need to be intelligent enough to vote on issues, not what a party has to handout, or charisma.

You know what? I want one of the 7 persons who vote PNP in this poll to give me 15 reasons why they support the PNP or why anybody should support the PNP. Just 15!

[Justice]

Couldn't make up his mind which one to lead ... :eusa_wall

You know, for a man who claims he doesn’t care about politics you seem to love these threads :eusa_thin

[BlackCryptoKnight]

You know, for a man who claims he doesn’t care about politics you seem to love these threads :eusa_thin

Is there something wrong with me posting in "these threads"? :eusa_thin

[Manu]

You know what justice. While some people are indeed dunce... others are desperate... because of their situation. they don't think they have a future so a little 500 dollar and curry goat can win them vote very easily. You know that PNP paid people 500 dollars to come to their rally in Half Way Tree??? I'm not saying that the JLP may not be guilty of this too.... but I don't know of them. I know for sure of PNP... and if you ever see how they fought over the little envelopes of 500... and how dem cuss when dem neva get...my god. Like mongrels fighting over a chewed up bone.

All you PNP supports.... THIS (http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070720/news/news7.html) is what your party is coming with. And to think the leader is supposed to be a christian? No wonder the country is so filled with this nastiness and high crime rate. Spirit of Lord is drawing away from us.

[ramesh]

Couldn't make up his mind which one to lead ... :eusa_wall Talk to the hand .... I mean talk to the bell......I mean....... ;)

http://xaymaca.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/KarlSamudaB20031125RB.JPG

[rodalembs]

The nature of our politics? It still boils down to them being dunce. Anybody who will sell their vote or let handout influence their decision is a dunce. People need to be intelligent enough to vote on issues, not what a party has to handout, or charisma.
!

You can't call person dunce, when you dont understand the type of situation they live in. :

(1) Many persons depend on thier MP's for a "hustilings" (road work, christmas work etc.)

(2) Some persons have to vote a certain way as this is how it is mandated in their communities.


There is a constant fight for scarce benefits and spoils and for many of our persons, politics is then livelyhood.

While i dont beleive that this should be the case, the level of society that can enact real change, have abjugated themselves from the process. I feel that if a person is not enumerated then you should not complain about the GOVT. since u dis-enfranchised yourself. The educated class of this country need to become more involved and drop the ambivalence. Both politcal parties were lead by the educated class of the time, this "waist" of the parties have been erroded.

Alos, corrput elements are in both parties, anyone who think otherwise, is just a political zealot.

[rodalembs]

All you PNP supports.... THIS (http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070720/news/news7.html) is what your party is coming with. And to think the leader is supposed to be a christian? No wonder the country is so filled with this nastiness and high crime rate. Spirit of Lord is drawing away from us.

This is the type of biased comments , that placates our poltics. Tell mi know.

1) Was Portia there?
2) Did she tell them to carry on as such?
3) What does portia claiming to be a christian have to so with this?
4) Is Portia/PNP responsible for the moral decay in our society?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

All you PNP supports.... THIS (http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070720/news/news7.html) is what your party is coming with. And to think the leader is supposed to be a christian? No wonder the country is so filled with this nastiness and high crime rate. Spirit of Lord is drawing away from us.

Devil possessed/influenced people aren't only in one party. They are all over. Persons who lie, steal, cheat, kill and maim for politics are all influenced by the devil. That includes the politicians themselves. Don't make it out like the devil only selects one party to work in. You know better than that!


Talk to the hand .... I mean talk to the bell......I mean....... ;)

http://xaymaca.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/KarlSamudaB20031125RB.JPG


:rotflm: :hysteria:

[Manu]

This is the type of biased comments , that placates our poltics. Tell mi know.

1) Was Portia there?
2) Did she tell them to carry on as such?
3) What does portia claiming to be a christian have to so with this?
4) Is Portia/PNP responsible for the moral decay in our society?

If you read the article, it said Portia was in the area. If she was there, other members of her party was there. If she can not control her party men she can not lead.


:icon_arro BCK


Yes BCK... I know that PNP is not responsible for it but as government who is "gunning" for change (pun intended), they should seek to disassociate themselves from such activities.


As a result of this spiritualistic,numerical and supernatural being exhibited by PNP, I don't think I'll be working in the election. My parents are away and if anything should happen, I will be one my own as I really have no next of kin in the corporate area. I am scared. I shy away from things like this. Until I see some sort of positive turn around, I not even voting... because next thing my finger rotten off or demons follow me because I'm voting against the PNP. And I'm not even kidding. I'm very much serious. Lock up in my house on election day and not even follow it on TV. Read my bible and bless my house. Just wait till Tuesday and listen to the news.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Aye caramba. :rolleyes:

[Cocoa]

Jah know mi sorry fi de people dem who actually believe seh de JLP can help out the country... no chance in hell on earth.... ladies and gents hate to burst yall bubble...but NONE a de party dem can save Jamaica only God can!!!

Good luck....mi vote fi black...dats the color of my skin.

De rest a dem can go fold up under 300 count sheet.

[Justice]

The nature of our politics? It still boils down to them being dunce. Anybody who will sell their vote or let handout influence their decision is a dunce. People need to be intelligent enough to vote on issues, not what a party has to handout, or charisma.

You know what? I want one of the 7 persons who vote PNP in this poll to give me 15 reasons why they support the PNP or why anybody should support the PNP. Just 15!


DIS EEDIAT DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THE PNP......YAH ..SO WHA
if u did expect everybody fi say labourite why bother with the polls.......dem win by default if thats the case.....

mayb they say jlp because they hear everyone else saying it come election day its a different story...........


the only thing i c the jlp do is oppose....they never proposing to do anything b4 election time ....so i propose they continue opposing. dat me say



This just leave me to conclude that people who vote for the PNP really don’t know what they voting for :jestera:

[Justice]

I don’t know why these Christians who will not be voting feel the need to tell us that politics cannot help us. Do as you feel and allow us to do as we feel. Next year when inflation suck 20% off your salary (if you live in JA) tell the people in the church ceremony that is because they didn’t pray hard enough why it happened. Question: is it that first world countries pray harder than third world country? Or is it that they have better leaders?

Why these people who not voting feel they need to try and convince others that politics can’t help them? When at the same time good government in other countries are helping those countries move forward?

[bernie]

I don’t know why these Christians who will not be voting feel the need to tell us that politics cannot help us. Do as you feel and allow us to do as we feel. Next year when inflation suck 20% off your salary (if you live in JA) tell the people in the church ceremony that is because they didn’t pray hard enough why it happened. Question: is it that first world countries pray harder than third world country? Or is it that they have better leaders?

Why these people who not voting feel they need to try and convince others that politics can’t help them? When at the same time good government in other countries are helping those countries move forward?

Young man, why so bitter? :eusa_thin

Anyway, the fact that other countries have booming economies, doesn't mean that they don't have problems in many other areas that politics has not been able to effectively address. Agreed?

Therefore, the Christians have a valid point; without God in the mix, a good leader is just not good enough. ;)

[Justice]

Young man, why so bitter? :eusa_thin

Bitter? Why every time I post on Caribyard people think I am bitter? :confused: Are people thin skin or are they reading into my post too much? Should I use more smileys? :eusa_thin In any event Bernie, quit reading emotion into my post, I don’t think anybody on this planet have ever seen me bitter :)


Anyway, the fact that other countries have booming economies, doesn't mean that they don't have problems in many other areas that politics has not been able to effectively address. Agreed?

Problems like? Tell me some problems that the Cayman Island, Barbados, Bahamas have. I am not denying that they might have problems as well, but I would gladly swap a booming economy with some of those minor problems.



Therefore, the Christians have a valid point; without God in the mix, a good leader is just not good enough. ;)

You’re missing the point. People who don’t want to vote (For whatever reason) shouldn’t try to persuade those who want to; not to (which ever way they want to vote). Some people may believe that only God can save Jamaica, but not all persons believe that, e.g. Rev Al Miller, Pastor/Bishop at Stella Maris church, both are leaders of their church and both advocate voting among their respective members.

Are you to tell me that they believe that PNP or JLP cannot help us? If so why would they be advocating participation? All I am saying is: if you don’t want to vote then that’s your thing, but don’t try and run guilt trips on people who may want to.

[Manu]

Well I am bitter because this argument about not voting is stupid and you are spitting on the works of our forefathers. I recently heard a speech by Norman Manley to the Jamaican people who were not voting. I agree with him. You know what they had to go through so you can have your democratic rights? Women especially. Not to mention black people on a whole and you are talking about not seeing a right choice and what not. What about your fellow man? Not because you're well off either way. What about the family who has nothing to eat or the child who can't afford to pay for school? If you're christian-oriented then pray about your decision and ask The Lord to help you make the right decision and help the people who make it to power so that our country can grow but sitting on your butts and not voting isn't going to make a difference.

People like you guys take liberty and freedom for granted. You belong back in slavery days where you were told what to do, when to do and how to do it because when you sit back and do nothing, that it exactly what you're doing. It's a weak and irrational argument about not seeing a choice. And this is coming from intelligent people. You are all still bounded and shackled in your minds. Seven persons fought for what you taking for granted in Jamaica. Countless others elsewhere. Thousands died for it and this is how you repay them? And how is God going to help us? Is He going to come down and and run the country for us? No... he is going to use an median which will be a person(s) who can make the change. Pray about your choice and vote but abstaining is not a decision.

[bernie]

People like you guys take liberty and freedom for granted. You belong back in slavery days where you were told what to do, when to do and how to do it because when you sit back and do nothing, that it exactly what you're doing. It's a weak and irrational argument about not seeing a choice. And this is coming from intelligent people. You are all still bounded and shackled in your minds. Seven persons fought for what you taking for granted in Jamaica. Countless others elsewhere. Thousands died for it and this is how you repay them? And how is God going to help us? Is He going to come down and and run the country for us? No... he is going to use an median which will be a person(s) who can make the change. Pray about your choice and vote but abstaining is not a decision.

Rather ironic comments, I must say. Here you are, trying to tell us that we have to vote. Am I to understand (based on your reasoning) that freedom and liberty is restricted to a choice between these two parties? If I choose not to vote, then I am expressing my liberty to do so...and that is my decision, and quite frankly, my business. :eusa_hand

The seven persons you mentioned did fight, but not what I'm seeing today. Take for instance, justice; which our heroes fought and died for. For years our politions have failed to deliver. :rolleyes:




You belong back in slavery days where you were told what to do, when to do and how to do it

You know who this statement is really addressing? Those idiots jumping up and down when their 'Gods' are campaigning. The 'ant-brains' that don't hear a word these people have to say, much more to reason, but jump and cheer to their every blah blah blah! The idiots that are 'die-hard' socialists or laborites. The fools that kill each other for their party leaders that, at the end of it all, drink champagne together. These are the shackled in mind my friend. :icon_neut

[Manu]

Rather ironic comments, I must say. Here you are, trying to tell us that we have to vote. Am I to understand (based on your reasoning) that freedom and liberty is restricted to a choice between these two parties? If I choose not to vote, then I am expressing my liberty to do so...and that is my decision, and quite frankly, my business. :eusa_hand

The seven persons you mentioned did fight, but not what I'm seeing today. Take for instance, justice; which our heroes fought and died for. For years our politions have failed to deliver. :rolleyes:





You know who this statement is really addressing? Those idiots jumping up and down when their 'Gods' are campaigning. The 'ant-brains' that don't hear a word these people have to say, much more to reason, but jump and cheer to their every blah blah blah! The idiots that are 'die-hard' socialists or laborites. The fools that kill each other for their party leaders that, at the end of it all, drink champagne together. These are the shackled in mind my friend. :icon_neut

I expected better reasoning from you Bernie. I guess I'll just have to wait on BCK for a proper response. Also thank you for proving my point with your selfish arrogance.... YOUR business indeed! You know before the elections... they have a thing called "Nomination Day". Look it up :rolleyes:

[BlackCryptoKnight]

If I choose not to vote, then I am expressing my liberty to do so...and that is my decision, and quite frankly, my business. :eusa_hand

:eusa_clap

Our forefathers fought for our freedom. Freedom to chose to vote for one party or another, or none.


don’t know why these Christians who will not be voting feel the need to tell us that politics cannot help us.
Because it is the truth. Politics cannot save your soul. Politics cannot give you everlasting life. Politics cannot make you truly happy. Politics cannot solve the root cause of the problems facing Jamaica. I challenge you, or anybody, to prove me wrong on these statements!


Why these people who not voting feel they need to try and convince others that politics can’t help them?

Why do people involved in politics feel they need to try to convince others that politics can help them? :rolleyes:

You sound frustrated Justice. Would you rather see these people silenced? :eusa_thin

People are free to share their views and perspectives, and people are free to listen to them and chose for themselves whether they will agree or not.

[AngelsKiss]

Ok I am gonna jump in here:

1) First Manu you can't equate what our forefather did for freedom with our current crop of so called leaders. They are 2 different crop of people with 2 different agendas.

2) However, I do agree with with you that abstaining is not the way. It's a very weak point in my mind to just simply abstain. If you don't like the crop of politician find an alternative. Either enter the race or find one of those minority parties that you think could do some good even if they can't win.

The country must have a leader so we may as well find one and hold them accountable. It is possible to have good leadership, however it won't happen until everyone of us step up to the plate and hold not just them accountable but ourselves. The government works for us, not the other way around. It's our responsibility to hold them accountable for their actions.

We as individuals can do a lot to make Jamaica a better place, the way we live our lives, we treat each other and the respect we have for our country. Help educate the those who don't know better, help educate the younger generation and I don't mean just politically.

Too often I find we are ready to blame the politicians, find all kinds of fault but not willing to do something about it. I agree that you should pray for guidance, but it's time we get up off our butts, stop complaining and do something.

[Manu]

Ok I am gonna jump in here:

1) First Manu you can't equate what our forefather did for freedom with our current crop of so called leaders. They are 2 different crop of people with 2 different agendas.

2) However, I do agree with with you that abstaining is not the way. It's a very weak point in my mind to just simply abstain. If you don't like the crop of politician find an alternative. Either enter the race or find one of those minority parties that you think could do some good even if they can't win.

The country must have a leader so we may as well find one and hold them accountable. It is possible to have good leadership, however it won't happen until everyone of us step up to the plate and hold not just them accountable but ourselves. The government works for us, not the other way around. It's our responsibility to hold them accountable for their actions.

We as individuals can do a lot to make Jamaica a better place, the way we live our lives, we treat each other and the respect we have for our country. Help educate the those who don't know better, help educate the younger generation and I don't mean just politically.

Too often I find we are ready to blame the politicians, find all kinds of fault but not willing to do something about it. I agree that you should pray for guidance, but it's time we get up off our butts, stop complaining and do something.


Well atleast somebody got the jist of the argument. Thank you AK for your informative input.

[bernie]

Well atleast somebody got the jist of the argument. Thank you AK for your informative input.

You just want someone to agree with you, but damned be those that oppose. :rolleyes:

[Manu]

You just want someone to agree with you, but damned be those that oppose. :rolleyes:

It's not a matter of disagreeing with me but your approach was selfish and arrogant by stating that it is YOUR business and by extension damn everybody else who gives a rats behind!

[bernie]

It's not a matter of disagreeing with me but your approach was selfish and arrogant by stating that it is YOUR business and by extension damn everybody else who gives a rats behind!

How am I being selfish by not voting? If I should vote, shouldn't it be based on MY personal convictions? And if so...isn't that MY business? Am I missing suppm?! :eusa_thin :confused:

[Manu]

Personal convictions youth? What the hell? No it's not only for you. It's for your family, friends and children too.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Each individual has the right to vote, and how they chose to vote is their personal business. No one should be forced to vote, or not vote. They should be free to make that choice for themselves. People vote or not vote, according their convictions and personal preference. They should come to their own decision and take the action that is in tune with their beliefs. That is what democracy is supposed to be about right? Individuals having the right to make their own choices, and the collective will of the masses being carried out, right?

[gucci man]

Can i change my vote?

no, seriously. i have to reconsider. I have faith in Audley shaw, bruce and maybe just another one. But take a good look at the JLP.... WHO THEM AGO PUT IN THE CABINET??

jesus, when i hear some of them talk i wonder if they have any more experience than myself = NONE!

them sound dunce u fret (now i have more education than most of them)

i am disappointed, bruce my friend. I wanted you to win but .... your team kinda weak IMHO

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Can i change my vote?

no, seriously. i have to reconsider. I have faith in Audley shaw, bruce and maybe just another one. But take a good look at the JLP.... WHO THEM AGO PUT IN THE CABINET??

jesus, when i hear some of them talk i wonder if they have any more experience than myself = NONE!

them sound dunce u fret (now i have more education than most of them)

i am disappointed, bruce my friend. I wanted you to win but .... your team kinda weak IMHO

:haha:

Talk about changing course.

:hysteria:

[Justice]

Because it is the truth. Politics cannot save your soul. Politics cannot give you everlasting life. Politics cannot make you truly happy. Politics cannot solve the root cause of the problems facing Jamaica. I challenge you, or anybody, to prove me wrong on these statements!

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Who here is disputing that? You same people stand up in sun hot to get visas to run off to greener grass. You can’t challenge me to anything until you and your comrade voting friends take up my challenge.


I want one of the 7 8 persons who vote PNP in this poll to give me 15 reasons why they support the PNP or why anybody should support the PNP. Just 15!





Why do people involved in politics feel they need to try to convince others that politics can help them? :rolleyes: Speak to the concierge :rotflm:

[Justice]

Can i change my vote?

no, seriously. i have to reconsider. I have faith in Audley shaw, bruce and maybe just another one. But take a good look at the JLP.... WHO THEM AGO PUT IN THE CABINET??


The beauty about it is this poll is fake and on the 27th you will be given a chance to put the X in the right place, make sure you don’t regret it after word.


Cabinet


‘Current’ Ministers


Health--> Horace Dalley

Security--> Dr. Peter Phillips

Housing/Transport/Water/Works --> Robert Pickersgill

Mining and energy-->bumbling/Exuberant/Scandalous, Phillip Paulwell

Development/Information--> Arrogant Danny Buchanan

Finance--> Dr. Omar Davies (Mr. “Run with it”)

Defense/Sport--> Prime minister (needless to say more)


Shadow Cabinet (JLP)

Health--> Veteran Medical Doctor, Dr. Ken Baugh

Security--> Col. Trevor Mcmillan (Derrick Smith just holding the space for him)

Housing/Transport/Water/Works --> Dr. Horace Chang

Mining and energy-->Clive Mullings a Lawyer/Business man

Development/Information--> Business woman Shirley Williams

Finance--> Man a ‘Yaad’ Audley Shaw

Defense --> Big man, Bruce
Now, explain to me the problem with the shadow cabinet?

[bernie]

The beauty about it is this poll is fake and on the 27th you will be given a chance to put the X in the right place, make sure you don’t regret it after word.


Cabinet


‘Current’ Ministers


Health--> Horace Dalley

Security--> Dr. Peter Phillips

Housing/Transport/Water/Works --> Robert Pickersgill

Mining and energy-->bumbling/Exuberant/Scandalous, Phillip Paulwell

Development/Information--> Arrogant Danny Buchanan

Finance--> Dr. Omar Davies (Mr. “Run with it”)

Defense/Sport--> Prime minister (needless to say more)


Shadow Cabinet (JLP)

Health--> Veteran Medical Doctor, Dr. Ken Baugh

Security--> Col. Trevor Mcmillan (Derrick Smith just holding the space for him)

Housing/Transport/Water/Works --> Dr. Horace Chang

Mining and energy-->Clive Mullings a Lawyer/Business man

Development/Information--> Business woman Shirley Williams

Finance--> Man a ‘Yaad’ Audley Shaw

Defense --> Big man, Bruce
Now, explain to me the problem with the shadow cabinet?


ummm...they can't seem to find the light?! :eusa_thin:confused:
Too much in the shadows perhaps? :eusa_shif

[BlackCryptoKnight]

You same people stand up in sun hot to get visas to run off to greener grass. I haven't run off anywhere. Your politician friends however, send their children to foreign schools, and seek medical attention abroad - after they've helped to deteriorate the local facilities. Then they turn around and make all kinds of promises about what they are going to do to improve things.


You can’t challenge me to anything until you and your comrade voting friends take up my challenge.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Whatever. :eusa_hand

[Justice]

I haven't run off anywhere. Your politician friends however, send their children to foreign schools, and seek medical attention abroad - after they've helped to deteriorate the local facilities. Then they turn around and make all kinds of promises about what they are going to do to improve things.


Blah blah blah blah blah. Whatever. :eusa_hand

You sound frustrated BCK. Jealous? Bitter? :eusa_thin Do you want me to be silent? :eusa_thin :rotflm::rotflm:

[BlackCryptoKnight]

You sound frustrated BCK.
Disappointed is more like it. Disappointed that the Jamaican people are still choosing to be tricked by worthless politicians of all persuasions.


Jealous?
Of what? Of who? No sir. There is nothing in politics that I am jealous of. On the contrary, you and your JLP cohorts are very jealous of the power the current government holds. Thats why you all want to win so badly.

Bitter?
Nopes. But you and your cohorts most certainly are. 18 years out of power will do that to you. :icon_mrgr

:eusa_thin Do you want me to be silent? :eusa_thin :rotflm::rotflm:
Not at all. Just wish you were more original in your thinking and expression. It would be nice if you, and others, could down the party script for a bit and have some independent, rational, sensible thought and discourse. But in this season, I guess that's not possible.

[Justice]

Of what? Of who? No sir. There is nothing in politics that I am jealous of. On the contrary, you and your JLP cohorts are very jealous of the power the current government holds. Thats why you all want to win so badly.

Nopes. But you and your cohorts most certainly are. 18 years out of power will do that to you. :icon_mrgr
So I decided to vote and I am jealous of the PNP and their power? Your reasoning isn’t rational. You need to read more. You are a man who love dig up people posts so why not take some time and read why I want this government out of office?

People say that the JLP is hungry for power, but who is 'hungrier', the PNP for having power for 18 years and fighting for more? Or the JLP for not having power and want it?


Not at all. Just wish you were more original in your thinking and expression. It would be nice if you, and others, could down the party script for a bit and have some independent, rational, sensible thought and discourse. But in this season, I guess that's not possible.

Only because it is not supporting your party. Furthermore, it is impossible for you to have any independent, rational, sensible thought as you are biased against anything that is not of the PNP.



Knowing you, I am sure you going to respond to this, I will check it on Friday. ;)

[BlackCryptoKnight]

So I decided to vote and I am jealous of the PNP and their power? Your reasoning isn’t rational. You need to read more. You are a man who love dig up people posts so why not take some time and read why I want this government out of office?
Yup. Bitterness. :rotflm:


People say that the JLP is hungry for power, but who is 'hungrier', the PNP for having power for 18 years and fighting for more? Or the JLP for not having power and want it?
They're both hungry. But the one who is more starved, is the one who is more hungry.


Only because it is not supporting your party.
:haha:


Furthermore, it is impossible for you to have any independent, rational, sensible thought as you are biased against anything that is not of the PNP.

You are the one who needs to read my previous posts. You act like the typical activist. You try to beat down any thought that isn't aligned to your team. You seem to believe that because a person doesn't share your viewpoint, that they must be aligned to your "enemy". That is the kind of "dunce head" thinking that makes politics in Jamaica so problematic. Politicians have so many people brainwashed into thinking that the only thoughts and ideas worthy of consideration, are either JLP or PNP - no encouragement of independent thought.

Justice, you are biased against anything that is not JLP, so you can gwaan chat. That's what u polytricks people do best - chat.



Knowing you, I am sure you going to respond to this, I will check it on Friday.
Just as I knew you would respond to was posted before. ;)

And I know you won't wait until Friday to check. You're checking now! :rotflm:

[Manu]

ummm...they can't seem to find the light?! :eusa_thin:confused:
Too much in the shadows perhaps? :eusa_shif


Bernie.....:eusa_shhh :eusa_sile



Anyways....Justice... How can Derrick Smith be keeping a post for Trevor McMilllan? To serve in cabinet, you have to be an MP and an MP has to be elected by the people of the constituency. This is why your president and your finance minister is always the MP of a party stronghold because if PNP wins and Portia loses her seat, she CAN NOT be the PM...and likewise if JLP wins and Bruce loses Tivoli. Yes it aint gonna happen but it is just for clarity.

[Manu]

Did you know is just 1997 they stopped admitting stolen ballot boxes into the counting stations? Before then, if a ballot box was stolen... and later recovered, the votes were counted. Now, once the box is missing, that PD is DQ'd and a recount will only be issued if the final results are close.


And Karl Samuda did not leave the JLP. He was expelled... and later returned so this stupid joke about not being sure of which side to be on is really a nonsensical one. And Gucci... you ever hear some of PNP MPs talk....even the ones who are Doctors? Look what they did with their portfolios... yet they are oh so educated.

[Chris]

Well today is D-Day. We'll see how accurate this poll was and who will be eating crow and who will be serving it :)

[bernie]

Yeah, and who's office as a prophet will live or die

[Chris]

Yeah, and who's office as a prophet will live or dieLOL ... either way there'll be no Ministry of Prophecy :icon_mrgr

[bernie]

LOL ... either way there'll be no Ministry of Prophecy :icon_mrgr

LOL...tell that to Phin; I think he was kinda counting on it :jestera:

[Truthbearer]

its just a shame that God's name has to be dragged into this.

[ramesh]

its just a shame that God's name has to be dragged into this.He is in the details. ;)

[bernie]

I can see the prophet biting his nails.....so close

[Xenocrates]

Unofficially, JLP has taken it.

[bernie]

dont say that, Dr Phin's lively hood depends on it

[Xenocrates]

What does he have his doctorate in?

[bernie]

ummm...Prophecy...? :eusa_thin

[silentburn]

Bwoy, things look a bit sticky now. Portia could have been less caustic. The election was obviously for the most part very fair. No need to make it seem as if the country is now going drown in confusion.

I hope Bruce doesn't say anything stupid. Now we will see if he's really a statesman.

[bernie]

The only place there was any issue (at least what i heard on the news) with voters having problems to cast their votes (portia's excuse) was in Maxine's constituency....which she won. So...there goes that point then...

[Chris]

So people, at the end of the day the Carib-Stone poll was accurate after all. Looks like we can go into the polls business :eusa_clap

[bernie]

So people, at the end of the day the Carib-Stone poll was accurate after all. Looks like we can go into the polls business :eusa_clap

lol...one thing i can say is that pollers will be taken seriously from now on. ;)

[gucci man]

so the carib stone poll was correct. The carib yardies favoured a jlp win and so did jamaica

[Chris]

We don't normally close polls, but it just ocurred to me that I should close thia one to prevent additional votes from appearing out of nowhere and changing the course ;)

[ramesh]

Yes, they may cause us to change clothes.

[Chicokid]

We don't normally close polls, but it just ocurred to me that I should close thia one to prevent additional votes from appearing out of nowhere and changing the course ;)

Chris, you better get the tradional ink stain on the index finger :icon_mrgr :icon_mrgr

[Manu]

Well Good riddance.... but we can't even really celebrate yet because it may be overturned in the coming weeks.

[bernie]

Well Good riddance.... but we can't even really celebrate yet because it may be overturned in the coming weeks.

What? Phin not giving up yet? :icon_evil

[Gillion]

Well Good riddance.... but we can't even really celebrate yet because it may be overturned in the coming weeks.

It cannot and it wont