The Second Coming.

[silentburn]

Am I the only person who feels really uneasy? I know things have not gone according to plan in my life so I'm left kind of numb and disoriented due to the realities of life. This contributes to the weird unreal feeling I keep having.

However there's something more, is it me or does everyone else see things playing out before their eyes. Its like everything is actually lining up and it can actually be seen.

I know I sound really vague now but what are your views on the second coming of Christ? Some people may roll their eyes but seriously how many more centuries will pass. Maybe we need to measure it in terms of a generation. A human generation is said to span 30 years.

It doesn't take much to shake up this World, its easy really.

[ramesh]

Take your pick:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl18.htm/

[silentburn]

Some of those prophecies are hogwash and can't even be matched with anything in the bible.

I'm simply looking on the earth and its current condition. I think things can deteriorate quite quickly. It just takes one big natural disaster. Plus these world governments are doing things that make no sense at all. Imagine the United States is actually contemplating a war with Iran. It would destroy their economy.

[Chicokid]

I think it can be seen that the world is in crisis right about now. Following bible prophecy and comparing it with today's events, it can be seen that everything is aligning to the one world Government scheme. Nations are seeing it fit to work together to survive. Such examples include the Euro, FTAA, and CSME.

Look at the rising costs of living. Everyday the prices are soaring, on nearly ALL items. Businesses are crying out and so are people. The worst thing is that people's salaries not increasing and if it does is by small margins. If businnesses were to pay out HUGE increases, they would have no other choice but to reduce headcount and this is negative. Now the bible reveals that in the appearance of the antichrist, no one will be able to buy or sell until they receive. If you REALLY pay attention this is what WILL happen cause cost of living will be so high and people's salaries will be SO small that they wont even be making enough money to buy anything. HINT HINT.

It is easy now for Oppositions to form new Governments as can be seen in the Caribbean since 6 out of 7 recent elections saw change of Governments. Reason being is that people will rely on Governments to solve problem but the reality is there is nothing they can do. Bible Prophecy MUST and WILL be fulfilled.

[Nika_869]

I do not feel uneasy for I know that everything has to go through changes and this is just one for them. The fall before the rise so to speak. However, what shakes me to the core, is the fact that there are droves of people are now becoming christians, but for the wrong reason.

[g2cris]

No need to feel uneasy. Gods word must be fullfilled. Know where you stand and u can rest at ease, whatever side u r on.

[ramesh]

It has been said that the age of the fish has to finish before He comes again. The age of the fish ends around 2150, when the dawn of the water carrier (age of Aquarius) starts.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Am I the only person who feels really uneasy? I know things have not gone according to plan in my life so I'm left kind of numb and disoriented due to the realities of life. This contributes to the weird unreal feeling I keep having.

However there's something more, is it me or does everyone else see things playing out before their eyes. Its like everything is actually lining up and it can actually be seen.

I know I sound really vague now but what are your views on the second coming of Christ? Some people may roll their eyes but seriously how many more centuries will pass. Maybe we need to measure it in terms of a generation. A human generation is said to span 30 years.

It doesn't take much to shake up this World, its easy really.

28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Luke 21 vs 28

Christ's return is imminent. The events taking place around us may be scary, but just remember how it all is to end - Christ returns and sets thing right. Just make sure that you are ready to receive Him. Focus on Christ and not on the negatives taking place. Those events only serve to remind us that the time is drawing near.

It has been said that the age of the fish has to finish before He comes again. The age of the fish ends around 2150, when the dawn of the water carrier (age of Aquarius) starts.

Who said that?

[ramesh]

Who said that? I don't remember who actually said it, but the gist of it was that Christ mentioned the ending of the current age, which is the Age of Pisces, the fish which is also a representation of the Christ. Therefore when the age of the Christ (fish: Pisces) ends, that's when all these things will come to pass.

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.; (Luke 21)

The feeling was that he actually said this age, but Luke or someone else didn't believe it was that far away so they altered the words to make it seem it would happen in their lifetime.

[duster]

Jesus already come a second time. it should be third coming go read u bible!

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Jesus already come a second time. it should be third coming go read u bible!

Where you read that?

[CyberCat]

That's what I would like to..........

.....oh, yeh you're right.

[Chicokid]

Where you read that?

That one is highly debating!

[duster]

The First coming was when he was born in a manger ... Second after he was rised he went to heaven to present himself to the father and come back down to talk & meet him followers....and left again so the next time him come will be his third. if im counting correctly!:D

[BlackCryptoKnight]

The First coming was when he was born in a manger ... Second after he was rised he went to heaven to present himself to the father and come back down to talk & meet him followers....and left again so the next time him come will be his third. if im counting correctly!:D

You are mistaken. When Jesus died, he was simply dead - not conscious - just as other people who die are not conscious. He did not ascend to Heaven until after the resurrection. Hence when He returns, it will be His second arrival.

[duster]

You are mistaken. When Jesus died, he was simply dead - not conscious - just as other people who die are not conscious. He did not ascend to Heaven until after the resurrection. Hence when He returns, it will be His second arrival.

my yute read your bible its right there. Jesus went to heaven to present himself to GOD. verse 17 is the key verse.:eusa_snoo


JOHN 20.

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
10Then the disciples went back to their homes, 11but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.

13They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?"

"They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.

15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?"
Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him."

16Jesus said to her, "Mary."
She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher).

17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

my yute read your bible its right there. Jesus went to heaven to present himself to GOD. verse 17 is the key verse.:eusa_snoo


JOHN 20.

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
10Then the disciples went back to their homes, 11but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.

13They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?"

"They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.

15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?"
Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him."

16Jesus said to her, "Mary."
She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher).

17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.

duster, this occurred after Jesus had risen. He had not yet ascended to Heaven. He was telling her about His imminent ascension, not that He had already ascended, then returned, to go again then return again. Read it more carefully. Read the account in the other gospels too.

[Cocoa]

I definately believe in his second coming......I don't want it to be like the days of Noah where we were warned but didn't take heed. One thing I know though is that we must b prepared for that second coming.

[duster]

duster, this occurred after Jesus had risen. He had not yet ascended to Heaven. He was telling her about His imminent ascension, not that He had already ascended, then returned, to go again then return again. Read it more carefully. Read the account in the other gospels too.

17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "


Bredren Jesus told Mary not to hold on to him. Not necessary a physical touch but dont try to let him stay on earth any longer because he had to go present himslef to his Father. Once presented he can come back and hang out with her and the other followers. The he command her to go tell the others that him gone to the father. after that he came back and showed himself to the followers. wats not to understand in that. anyway if its second or third it no matter just be ready when him come. but i just wanted to clear up your theology.

[Manu]

BCK... I think he is right. When he appeared unto her, she could not touch him because he had not ascended as yet but when he appeared unto the disciples, they did touch him to see if the nails went through his hands. Duster may be unto something.

[Nika_869]

Anyone has popcorn, this should be interesting....Oh, and bring water too

[ramesh]

Anyone has popcorn, this should be interesting....Oh, and bring water too I have the Diet Pepsi.

[root_gal]

I have the Diet Pepsi.

Gimme some please :hungry:.

[Nika_869]

I have the Diet Pepsi.

No dice. I do not drink sodas. bring lemonade and we have a deal.

So is it his second or third coming??

[ramesh]

No dice. I do not drink sodas. bring lemonade and we have a deal. I brought some wine coolers, if that's OK. Can't drink the sweet stuff.... doc's orders.

Shall we send in the lions? :D

[Nika_869]

I brought some wine coolers, if that's OK. Can't drink the sweet stuff.... doc's orders.

Shall we send in the lions? :D

I don't drink either. We can always order some more drinks from the store.

Send in the Lions...ppl. come now, do not back out.

[gucci man]

u know what, mi really fretting for the muslims and other false religions. Then again...how am i sure that Christianity is the right religion.

If u think about it, no one can truely say that another religion is false.

[ramesh]

Well, if you think about it, Islam and Christianity were both developed from a mixture of Judaism and Essene religious teachings. Judaism itself was developed from other pre-monotheistic religions.

[recursion]

u know what, mi really fretting for the muslims and other false religions. Then again...how am i sure that Christianity is the right religion.

If u think about it, no one can truely say that another religion is false.

Wow, I and my co-worker were having the same discussion earlier.

[duster]

Wow, I and my co-worker were having the same discussion earlier.

All Religions are false. Christ is the only way... him say "i am the way the truth and the life" James 1:27 (NLT): Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

[ramesh]

Duster, isn't that circular logic?
"The Bible is right because the Bible said it is."

[Manu]

Duster is beginning to worry me.

[Nika_869]

**eating popcorn** So we worried about something.

[duster]

Duster is beginning to worry me.

manu u cant be serious.. what have a said so far thats not true or concerns you? Religion is a man made thing. Knowing Jesus and the Father is Sprituality not Religion.

[Cocoa]

manu u cant be serious.. what have a said so far thats not true or concerns you? Religion is a man made thing. Knowing Jesus and the Father is Sprituality not Religion.
I agree.........................:eusa_danc

[ramesh]

manu u cant be serious.. what have a said so far thats not true or concerns you? Religion is a man made thing. Knowing Jesus and the Father is Sprituality not Religion.
So Christianity is not a Religion.....?? :rolleyes: :icon_eek: :eusa_thin

[duster]

So Christianity is not a Religion.....?? :rolleyes: :icon_eek: :eusa_thin

Yeah it is! Man made thing! christ never called his followers christians. They were called christians at Antioch. Religion is man made. Religion is man's way of reaching God. Christ is God's way of reaching MAN!

ACTS 11:28 And when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

[Nika_869]

Am not worried about duster right now. I actually agree with him.

[Manu]

My apologies duster. For a minute you sounded like those Christians that persecute people and are condescending to sinners. I actually do agree with you and that is one of the reasons why I don't go to church anymore. Too much corruption. Yeah some will say that you don't go to church for man. You go there for God. If that's the case, then I can praise him and worship Him at home. Why go somewhere where I'm not comfortable and where others are a stumbling block to me?

Anyways to each his own. Some follow religion to the tee and forget what it is based on. Most religions nowadays are just simply revamped pagan philosophies to appease the masses. Make belief more palatable. All of them have the same underlying tone. One supreme God with a few to many lesser gods. Belief cures and belief kills. Most of the leaders also have their own hidden agendas and claim to be men of "God". Benny Hinn told his congregation that God "wants him to live in a 10 million dollar house" and wants them to buy him a "private jet to spread the word of god". It sickens me how these people can deceive millions and millions of people all in the name of greed. I'll stick to my own beliefs and if they're wrong, it will be by my own accord.

[Nika_869]

Hmm. I gather my friends, we say a prayer, read some scriptures based on themes. Discuss dissect and then part ways. I find church has gotten too commercial, especially since it was already built on murder and lies. Too many religious leaders have taken time out to revamp what is true just so that they can control and rule a population. Fear of GOD breeds docility.

[ramesh]

Yeah some will say that you don't go to church for man. You go there for God. If that's the case, then I can praise him and worship Him at home. Why go somewhere where I'm not comfortable and where others are a stumbling block to me? :sold: :eusa_clap

Most of the leaders also have their own hidden agendas and claim to be men of "God". Benny Hinn told his congregation that God "wants him to live in a 10 million dollar house" and wants them to buy him a "private jet to spread the word of god". :eusa_snoo :eusa_naug

It sickens me how these people can deceive millions and millions of people all in the name of greed. I'll stick to my own beliefs and if they're wrong, it will be by my own accord. :sold: :D

[duster]

My apologies duster. I actually do agree with you and that is one of the reasons why I don't go to church anymore. Too much corruption.

Well Manu Im not really saying "church" is a bad thing! Religion is not good. cause the bible says: "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." (Hebrews 10:25)

So as long as you meet with people of like faith then you good weather in a church setting, pon di corner, in the hills , down inna di valley or by the beach but a gathering is essential & benefitial to ones growth and development! I guess you can say forums too but thats a little too impersonal. :icon_lol:

[Manu]

Once everybody has a common interest, church is the best place to be. I really loved it at Andrews S.D.A. It was not "stuck up" as others said it was. Kencot is stuck up. They received me with open arms and invited me to join their choir and even sing lead. If it wasn't so far, I'd keep going there. It was the only church where I was comfortable because of the church and not friends and family.

[Xenocrates]

All Religions are false. Christ is the only way... him say "i am the way the truth and the life" James 1:27 (NLT): Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

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Similar ideas expressed here (http://xenlogic.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/the-problem-with-religion/). Well said, Duster. Well said. :eusa_clap