The Zeitgheist [Big Debate Inside]

[gucci man]

The purpose of this movie is to debate whether or not we are fooled and tricked by our governments in every way possible for their personal gain. could they have even tricked us with religion?

U must also take in the Federal reserve system. Them a born robbers

Warning. It may shock All of you! You may skip the religious part if it is too much to bare

Religion Zeitgheist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzailhVl-U&feature=related (3 parts)

True Purpose of Wars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pz1ZW59Ys&feature=related (4 parts)

Bankers/Thieves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ&feature=related(5 parts)

[gucci man]

So wait. I thought people would already start sharing their views on this theory

[Nika_869]

Coming right back. This computer has no volume dear.

[ramesh]

This is not new. Xeno posted on this last year sometime but I cannot find the thread. I had found this online (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) months before that.

[mead]

You're right, and most of the therory put forward in the 911 segment of the documenty are rehash from years ago. Nice documentary none the less because it gets you thinking.

My main interest was on the 911 conspiracy segment of the documentary. I most tell you it's full of lies and half truths.

[gucci man]

This is not new. Xeno posted on this last year sometime but I cannot find the thread. I had found this online (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) months before that.

We never say it new still. But i just thought i would share it

[gucci man]

You're right, and most of the therory put forward in the 911 segment of the documenty are rehash from years ago. Nice documentary none the less because it gets you thinking.

My main interest was on the 911 conspiracy segment of the documentary. I most tell you it's full of lies and half truths.


If Mcain wins the election then this movie would have been right down to the tee: Pro war candidates normally win because of the opportunity of the bankers to profit.


also, did u get the part where they say the Vietnamese war was never to be won, only to be sustained?

[Manu]

Mcain will win..... it's too hopeful to assume otherwise.

[silentburn]

My main interest was on the 911 conspiracy segment of the documentary. I most tell you it's full of lies and half truths.

I have watched a few of these documentaries and most of them bring to light a lot of issues that the main stream media seems to ignore. I haven't watched all of Zeitgheist though so maybe I need to go watch it over before I make any comments.

Anyway, which part of it is full of lies?

To me it seems like it is the US government that has unleashed a tonne of lies on the people.

[CyberCat]

To me it seems like it is the US government that has unleashed a tonne of lies on the people.

That's because the fools believe everything they see on TV.

[gucci man]

the eat whatever is fed to them by fox, cbs, abc etc

[ramesh]

They should watch more HBO...

[Ghionw]

the eat whatever is fed to them by fox, cbs, abc etc

Like NAS said in his song, Sly Fox, "I watch CBS and I see B.S."
They have been shoveling shh!t for years and most of us just been taking it all in.

[gucci man]

Now, the the first part of the movie is BS. We all know christ is real and there is no hard evidence to support the claims of the movie writer.

but the part about the banking system has me thinking. That was what i want y'all to look into.

did it ever occur to you that banks lend out your money at interest, making x times on YOUR money? google: fractional reserve system

To me, the banking system is the biggest illogical money making scheme.

i was thinking of creating a peer to peer banking system where we can lend money out at high interest (16%^) to others instead of allowing the banks to do this with no benefit to us. (check out Zopa)

[silentburn]

Like NAS said in his song, Sly Fox, "I watch CBS and I see B.S."
They have been shoveling shh!t for years and most of us just been taking it all in.
The media is a very effective propaganda and indoctrination tool. Its not just the news media which does this. The entertainment media also plays a very big role.

Movies, music, what we consume visually and audibly can be used and manipulated to fashion our thoughts and behaviour.

[ramesh]

Now, the the first part of the movie is BS. We all know christ is real and there is no hard evidence to support the claims of the movie writer.
Please leave me out of the "we all". I need actual hard evidence, not faith.

[Ghionw]

The part of the documentary where they talk about the US dumbing down the education system was quite interesting. A lot of these kids these days don't know squat or rely too heavily on reference aids as opposed to knowing the material. The whole concept of cheat sheets and aids of that sort, also help play into it. I remember back in the day where you had to know the formulas and equations need for an exam or you would be S.O.L

I think I need to build a school and have my own curriculum, so the kids are challenged instead of given a pass. Spare them from being mentally and financially raped later on by their government.

[gucci man]

Look at the banking system. If "Interest" wasn't used in the money system there wouldn't be any financial crises. "interest" whether u believe it or not makes the rich richer. The poor on the other hand, who wants a 100,000 house will have to pay 2ice of 3x that amount just to finance it.
Now, Let us say we have a small island of 50 people. We have our own currency and our own Interest based banking system.

we have a total of 500,000 in printed cash in the system that is backed by nothing (USD, also is backed by nothing)

now, manu wants to buy a house he comes and borrows 10,000. We decided to lend him at 10% interest PA for 5 years.
at the end of 5 years manu would haved payed $~12700. to the bank.

Let us say that everyone wanted a house to buy. and they lent out 450,000 to the country to buy houses. THe citizens will have to pay back ~$574,000.

Now with only 500,000 worth of bills, how the hell are we gonna pay the bank 574,000?

ASK the Federal reserve and the banks in the USA. What they do is print more money...more worthless paper backed by nothing but our conscience. A single USD bill, whatever denomination cost about 4 cents to make. BTW, that 4 cents is backed by nothing!

[leoandru]

Look at the banking system. If "Interest" wasn't used in the money system there wouldn't be any financial crises. "interest" whether u believe it or not makes the rich richer. The poor on the other hand, who wants a 100,000 house will have to pay 2ice of 3x that amount just to finance it.
Now, Let us say we have a small island of 50 people. We have our own currency and our own Interest based banking system.

we have a total of 500,000 in printed cash in the system that is backed by nothing (USD, also is backed by nothing)

now, manu wants to buy a house he comes and borrows 10,000. We decided to lend him at 10% interest PA for 5 years.
at the end of 5 years manu would haved payed $~12700. to the bank.

Let us say that everyone wanted a house to buy. and they lent out 450,000 to the country to buy houses. THe citizens will have to pay back ~$574,000.

Now with only 500,000 worth of bills, how the hell are we gonna pay the bank 574,000?

ASK the Federal reserve and the banks in the USA. What they do is print more money...more worthless paper backed by nothing but our conscience. A single USD bill, whatever denomination cost about 4 cents to make. BTW, that 4 cents is backed by nothing!

correct. watch money as debt (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279) for a deeper understanding.

[gucci man]

correct. watch money as debt (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279) for a deeper understanding.

I love that video. Thanks for sharing it.

I saw some suggested money systems in the video, all of which has incompatibilities.

But if we should abandon our current money system, how would that new system would work and how would a transition occur? The B-chip maybe? (MOB, mark of the beast chip)

[ramesh]

You may also want to look at this explanation of Subprime lending:
https://portfolio.du.edu/pc/port.detail?id=105419

(It's a Powerpoint Presentation)

[gucci man]

USA will go down.

They will have to hand over themselves to the EU

they will be so weak, the arabs, russia china and whoever they bossed up will make them beg for mercy.

they will suffer from their own greed.

[Ghionw]

Maybe that's the plan. The powers that be sabotaged the economy so that they can push the agenda for merging with out countries (EU) and the people will gladly accept thinking it is better than the current situation....... Conspiracy!!!!! maybe

[gucci man]

I tell u this, the country is in the hands of a few men. Men whose faces you will not see, or even if u do see u will not know.

The 666 soon come people, this is the catalyst

[Xenocrates]

Master Gucci,

Two things:


The word is spelled ZeitGeist. It's a concatenation of two German words: Zeit = Time, Geist = Spirit. It literally means "Spirit of the time", which in this case, refers to the first Horseman of the Apocalypse, that of Deception. There is no 'h' in the word.


The first part of the documentary is not BS. It's all provable information. I spent the last 18 months doing some serious digging (+travelling), and much to my dismay, it's mostly true. None of the prominent religious apologetics around the world (like Tektonics) could adequately debunk most the findings.


And btw, 666 has been with us for a very long time - since before you were probably born. It's one of many coding systems used by Governments to uniquely identify citizens in their country. In the US, it's called a Social Security number. In JA, a TRN. The one world gov't will merely push all of these number systems into one database and use a chip to tag everybody using that unique identifier.

Did you know:

All of these systems use a 9 digit number. Why would Jamaica need a TRN that is 9 digits long if the country's population doesn't enter the eighth or ninth decimal?


None of the numbers overlap across countries. I found this out quite by accident when working on a database for GOJ.


You're already a part of the system. They're just going to tie everything up in another couple of decades.

[Greatis]

Interesting convo.... a Jamaican Jayson Whyte wrote a book " Money Boyz and The Antichrist" It speaks to the few people that control the world and how they control the world and their intent to globalize interesting read I must say I have the book as I was fortunate to be the one who designed the cover I shall share a few excerpts...

[gucci man]

Master Gucci,

And btw, 666 has been with us for a very long time - since before you were probably born. It's one of many coding systems used by Governments to uniquely identify citizens in their country. In the US, it's called a Social Security number. In JA, a TRN. The one world gov't will merely push all of these number systems into one database and use a chip to tag everybody using that unique identifier.

Did you know:

All of these systems use a 9 digit number. Why would Jamaica need a TRN that is 9 digits long if the country's population doesn't enter the eighth or ninth decimal?


None of the numbers overlap across countries. I found this out quite by accident when working on a database for GOJ.


You're already a part of the system. They're just going to tie everything up in another couple of decades.


Holy crap xeno, does this mean i'm going to hell?

And what did u discover while traveling and researching? I know u is a guy who like to dig for yourself. Tell us what u found

[Manu]

OK Xeno... so what about people who migrate to the US and had TRNs... do they get back the same number in the US for the Social Security number? If they do... then be afraid.... be very afraid.

[gucci man]

OK Xeno... so what about people who migrate to the US and had TRNs... do they get back the same number in the US for the Social Security number? If they do... then be afraid.... be very afraid.
So i guess the TRN is NOT the 666 since it will be a unique number.

[leoandru]

Anyone watched the second film? "Zeitgeist Addendum". I'm downloading now to watch.

[mead]

Anyone watched the second film? "Zeitgeist Addendum". I'm downloading now to watch.

What's the central focus of this version, don't tell me it's more of the same?

[ramesh]

If you haven't seen this yet, you are missing a lot.

The movie goes in-depth into financial slavery showing how bankers, politicians and religions manipulate people and topple governments throughout the world. It also shows how the media is used to manipulate people into thinking they are in a democracy, but in actual fact they are voting in a choice of two candidates both pre-selected by major multinational corporations.

The ultimate aim is for the status quo to be maintained, for the rich to get richer and the poor to remain in economic slavery.

The film goes on to suggest a solution whereby money is totally eliminated and people stop working for financial reward, which in itself is a form of slavery. There is a problem here which the film doesn't go into, in that without money, what incentive will there be for innovation? I'm going to finish watching it tonight to see if they have a solution for this.

[gucci man]

downloading it now, too

[gucci man]

YOW Zeitgeist Addendum HARD!!! is like the truth inside of the truth.

But i still disagree with the religious arguments. I only believe that humans should work hard and smart to advance the welfare of the entire human race.
I also disagree with them when they say no one has to work for nothing. The thing is we humans have to maintain the machines no matter how smart these machines get and in a world where there is no money, what would be the motivation to fix the computer when it is broken?

[gucci man]

And here is Part III
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6132500997336473908

[ramesh]

And here is Part III
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6132500997336473908
I believe that is Part 3 of the first movie......

[gucci man]

yes ramesh, my bad. It is movie 1, part III