Christians and Sex...

[Pondadat]

Christians are they having sex before marriage? I know some people who are faithful in attending church and they say they have been baptized. If they are having sex with there boyfriend or girlfriend, are they true christians?

[BMGrip]

Alot of christian people are not going to say what they do so why ask the question. I like (yeahbabes) and that does something for me. May fiance has a problem with that and I don't. She will also be offended by this question but Im not so thats her thing. But I guess its how you want to see it.

[ramesh]

God gave His people ten laws and Christ added to the Laws. All other Laws are Man's Law.

[Zoley!]

BMGrip and Ramesh what are you guys saying exactly. Men are so hard to understand. :eusa_thin

[Chris]

...I know some people who are faithful in attending church and they say they have been baptized. ...Being a regular in church and getting baptized doesn't necessarily mean that they are Christians ;)

[Zoley!]

Being a regular in church and getting baptized doesn't necessarily mean that they are Christians ;)


So your saying that they are not true to their christianity? is that what your saying?

[ramesh]

BMGrip and Ramesh what are you guys saying exactly. Men are so hard to understand. :eusa_thin There is nothing in the Ten Commandments or in Jesus' sayings about having/not having sex before marriage.

[Chris]

So your saying that they are not true to their christianity? is that what your saying?Not quite. What I'm trying to say is that we can't assume that persons are Christians just by their actions like going to church and getting baptzed. One would have to hear them profess to be Christians meaning accepting Christ as their personal savior. If they are true Christians and had sex before marriage they are still Christians. However, when they realise that what they did was a sin they need to ask God for forgiveness.

[Chris]

There is nothing in the Ten Commandments or in Jesus' sayings about having/not having sex before marriage.Please read 1 Corinthians 6:9-20 and Matthew 5:27-29.

[Zoley!]

I know people who are going to church and they are christian in the church. they have been baptized and they are faithful memebers. but...they have sex and are not married. BMGrip visiting porn sites is not a good thing in a relationship you might not have a problem with it, but it is offensive to your fiance or she wouldnt have told you it was. I think that visit porn sites or 900 numbers phone sex is the same as all the other things you shouldnt be doing if your a christian. If you do these things then why are you saying your a christian? I don't get it.

[ramesh]

Please read 1 Corinthians 6:9-20 and Matthew 5:27-29.
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
There Jesus was speaking about a woman already claimed by another man.

1 Corinthians 6:9-20 Everything written in Corinthians is based on letter(s) written by Paul to the Corinthian people, not directly from God or Jesus.

;)

[Chris]

Everything written in Corinthians is based on letter(s) written by Paul to the Corinthian people, not directly from God or Jesus.If we believe the Bible to be the Word of God then the writers in the Bible were actually writing what they were inspired by God to write. Basically, God used the writers to write down His words for man to read. Therefore, the letters from Paul were actually inspired by God and should be taken and words from God.

[ramesh]

If we believe the Bible to be the Word of God then the writers in the Bible were actually writing what they were inspired by God to write. Basically, God used the writers to write down His words for man to read. Therefore, the letters from Paul were actually inspired by God and should be taken and words from God. Well, Chris, that's one thing we have to agree to disagree on. As a non-believer, I have opinions that are from an outsider looking in. ;)

[AngelsKiss]

Well, Chris, that's one thing we have to agree to disagree on. As a non-believer, I have opinions that are from an outsider looking in. ;)
Ramesh, the fact that you are nonbeliever means that only God himself can convince you :) :eusa_pray

Having said that, I do believe that a lot of ppl struggle with accepting the bible as the word of God since itis seen to be written by man. However, as was pointed out by Chris...the bible does state that the word was inspired by God. My thinking on the matter is, I do believe in God, and I see the Bible as a guide for living the way God wants us to. Also, if the Bible is to be used as our guide then I believe that if it was wrong God himself would have done something about it. Maybe I am wrong but that's my take on the matter.

[Greatis]

hmmm it was inspired I will agree but these authors are prone to human emotions and the bible can and maybe tainted with beliefs of the authors not necessarily the will of god. ;)

[AngelsKiss]

hmmm it was inspired I will agree but these authors are prone to human emotions and the bible can and maybe tainted with beliefs of the authors not necessarily the will of god. ;)
So if you believe in God, you are saying tha he would sit back and allow mankind to taint his words and not do something about it. Nevermind the fact that the bible is suppose to be what we live by?

[Greatis]

hmmm what is god? Does a god even exist? Who is Jesus is it truly Jewish or did they get that idea from another race? Egypt even? Is mankind perfect?

[AngelsKiss]

hmmm what is god? Does a god even exist? Who is Jesus is it truly Jewish or did they get that idea from another race? Egypt even? Is mankind perfect?
Here is my answer...sorry I know it isn't what youa re looking for:)


My Jesus, my Savior
Lord there is none like you
All of my days, I want to praise
The wonders of your mighty love
My comfort, my Shelter
Tower of refuge and stength
Let every breath, all that I am
Never cease to worship you
Shout to the Lord, all the earth
Let us sing.
Power and majesty, praise to the king.
Mountains bow down and the seas will roar
At the sound of your name
I sing for joy at the work of your hands
Forever I'll love you, forever I'll stand
Nothing compares to the promise I have in you

[Greatis]

hahaha running for refuge are you not willing to get into such a discussion?

[AngelsKiss]

hahaha running for refuge are you not willing to get into such a discussion?
It's not running Greatis...but sometimes I like to retreat and let God work.

I understand your questions, every now and then I have doubts myself...lots of Christians have doubts from time to time.

[Gillion]

you know... I wonder what buhuddists' and hindus' , who's religion is older than Chirtianity and Judaism, think of people like us that can get so... wired.

I wonder if people who were born into and practice the shinto and ancestoral worship, have a different perspective ?

?

Religion... it so cunfusing.

[Pondadat]

So Chris in looking at how you have taken the context of the bible to answer the question. You would say that we are not supposed to be having sex if we are not married.

Does that mean that any scenario that involves sex shouldnt be induced. But don't you think that this is a high expectation. The bible was written in a different period of time and for a different generation...Why should this laws still be adhered to in these times. Do we have a obligation to the beliefs in the bible because someone says this was God word at that time. Does it obligate us to it for eternity? What is your view on this?

[Zoley!]

i trying to have sex (lol) well I would be lying if I said that i was obeying these things that are in the bible. How many people on a daily basis obey everything that is in the bible. It does make you wonder if these things are really being followed. although christianity is the question your asking Ponda if your a true Christian. well for me I question christianity and so right now against how i was raised and what my family believes im studying Buddhism.

[Pondadat]

Buddhism? your joking! Black people are not Budda's are they?
I don't believe that, are you serious, Im not your Tantie again! :confused:

[ramesh]

Pondadat, Buddhism is not a race, it is a Religion just like Christianity and Judaism.

[Pondadat]

Do I seem clueless to you Ramesh, I know that it is not a race. My God Im not the chupid am I. I was saying coming from a conventional stand point as she said that it was not her upbringing I don't off hand know any black budda's or maybe I do now one. I was only joking when I said I was not your Tantie(Auntie). Iam not Zoley's Auntie we are not related she is from Jamaica and I am from Trinidad but all of my family call me that instead of calling me and Old lady. I don't know they have made me everyones Auntie.
Not to get off the subject I don't know anything about being... a Budda and I have never been interested in being anything other than christian.
my mom and dad raised me under christianity and that is what I have always believed in. My mom would have a coronary if I told her something like that. But Im interested now to know something about it. I here that you chant and have alot of God's fill me in.

[Zoley!]

How old are you 30 Ponda? I know that is not old by any means and if you think so then your are Chupid he he a joke my dear. Just look it up online, because I don't have to do it right now. I'm flying back tomorrow, so I have a meeting a 3:00pm and that's it for me. If you have time just link online and put it on here.

[ramesh]

Pondadat, what I meant was that it does not matter what colour your skin, you can be of any religion. There are Chinese Christians, just as there are Black Jews. You cannot say because a person is Black they should not become Buddhist. Or am I reading your post wrong?

[Pondadat]

Im not saying that black people can't be buddhist. Im saying that I don't know any. I now know that Zoley! is studying to be a buddhist so now I know one. I have known only one other Black Jew and that was Sammy Davis Jr. I know that there are black jews, but looking at it from a personal level, that is what Im saying. Okay

[Chris]

Does that mean that any scenario that involves sex shouldnt be induced. But don't you think that this is a high expectation. The bible was written in a different period of time and for a different generation...Why should this laws still be adhered to in these times. Do we have a obligation to the beliefs in the bible because someone says this was God word at that time. Does it obligate us to it for eternity? What is your view on this?Because I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and God nevers changes that means that the Bible is still applicable to today's living. If however one doesn't believe in the Bible it would be hard to influence them to live by something they don't believe in.

[Pondadat]

Because I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and God nevers changes that means that the Bible is still applicable to today's living. If however one doesn't believe in the Bible it would be hard to influence them to live by something they don't believe in.


okay so. If we are going to abide by biblical philosophy then how come people do not have more than one wife or husband. But I think it was allowed to have more than one wife. Now this practice is still done in the United States with religious sect. The Church of the Latter day Saints which is Mormon. However it is not the practice of all mormons and they have branched off to create a cult type following. They live in Utah and now I believe some have divided up and moved to Texas. Is it right for these people to live like this. The government does not agree and tries to lock them up when they can get enough evidence to prosecute. Is this a fair system, if these people are only following the law of the Bible are they wrong in what they are doing in marrying more than one mate?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

okay so. If we are going to abide by biblical philosophy then how come people do not have more than one wife or husband. But I think it was allowed to have more than one wife. Now this practice is still done in the United States with religious sect. The Church of the Latter day Saints which is Mormon. However it is not the practice of all mormons and they have branched off to create a cult type following. They live in Utah and now I believe some have divided up and moved to Texas. Is it right for these people to live like this. The government does not agree and tries to lock them up when they can get enough evidence to prosecute. Is this a fair system, if these people are only following the law of the Bible are they wrong in what they are doing in marrying more than one mate?

Where in the Bible does it say that polygamy was allowed by God? The mistake many people make in attempting to justify certain things is that they interpret the mentioning of certain practices in the Bible as evidence of it being officially sanctioned by God. This is not the case. Sure, back in those days there may have been several people who practiced polygamy all over the world. Sure that may have been mentioned in the Bible. But that's a far cry from the Bible making a statement to the effect that polygamy is ok in the sight of God.

Why would people believe that because certain things that God has said in the past for us to do or not to do, now seem inconvenient or difficult, that God would have conveniently "changed His mind" to suit us so we don't have the burden of following what He said in the past? That's just arrogant and incorrect. God doesn't change. People change. He has said what He said for a reason. He is practical. If He said leave sex for marriage, then there are definitely good solid practical reasons for doing that. And the thing is people know inherrently that it is right. Yet they chose to justify and rationalize not following those principles because it is not convenient to them.

[AngelsKiss]

I think often time justification comes about because ppl are afraid to admit the truth to themselves. It's never easy to look at one's behaviour and tell ourselves we are wrong, when we actually are. Self honesty is one of the most difficult things for many us.

For believers, on the issue of Christianity and religion as a whole, if we do something we know that is against God's principles, we usually try to justify it. Instead of saying yes even though we commit the sin and we know it is wrong we try to find some way around it.

However, we forget that God can see right thru us...he is able to look directly into our hearts and know precisely what we are thinking and feeling. So when we try to hide, we can only do it from ourselves and others, certainly not God.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I think often time justification comes about because ppl are afraid to admit the truth to themselves. It's never easy to look at one's behaviour and tell ourselves we are wrong, when we actually are. Self honesty is one of the most difficult things for many us.

For believers, on the issue of Christianity and religion as a whole, if we do something we know that is against God's principles, we usually try to justify it. Instead of saying yes even though we commit the sin and we know it is wrong we try to find some way around it.

However, we forget that God can see right thru us...he is able to look directly into our hearts and know precisely what we are thinking and feeling. So when we try to hide, we can only do it from ourselves and others, certainly not God.

Indeed.

Nobody is perfect. Everybody makes a mistake at some point. God knows this. He is willing to forgive us. But that can't happen if we don't acknowledge our mistakes.

[AngelsKiss]

This discussion kinda reminds me of the one on TJ about copying DVDs for sale. We have some ppl finding all kinds of justification for it, never mind the fact that it is wrong :)

[Pondadat]

@ angelkiss you have some good views people are not perfect and they all have different perceptions in life and not everyone looks at life like christians however..

@BCK
The nations of Israel comes from four wives of Jacob. Now God corrected Jacob on various matters, but he never did about his (2 wives and 2 concubines) That is how the Old testament looked at being married to more than one wife. In the New testament God is clearly against divorce with (Malachi 2:16) but people marry more than one mate, because the marry and divorce. But God prohibits divorce as was said in Malachi. So If we are to certainly understand what is God's will and what he opposes. Would it not be correct in saying that he does not oppose marry more than one person. Only the it can creat some problems in the lifestyle.

The Bible does have some things that are not clear to understand and I guess we would have to ask God about them when that day comes. It is clear that from reading (Genesis 19:8) that some things in the Bible cannot be understood, as to the reason why some things were done then.

[mesinya]

In Deuteronomy it gives instructions for have more than one wife.

Dueteronomy (21:15)

Polygamy is a law created by man.

[Greatis]

hmmm jeez star mi just was going to post that one Pondadat

[AngelsKiss]

[QUOTE=Pondadat]@ angelkiss you have some good views people are not perfect and they all have different perceptions in life and not everyone looks at life like christians however..
QUOTE]

1) The thread started out by mentioning Christianity.

2) Note that I said for believers...meaning ppl who believe in God.

This isn't about perfection. No one is perfect but at the sametime, when we are wrong we should at least be able to admit it to ourselves. It's the only way we can grow as individuals, whether you believe in God or not.

[duster]

Im not saying that black people can't be buddhist. Im saying that I don't know any. I now know that Zoley! is studying to be a buddhist so now I know one. I have known only one other Black Jew and that was Sammy Davis Jr. I know that there are black jews, but looking at it from a personal level, that is what Im saying. Okay

well if you read your bible all the prophets were black jews. only a few people in the new testament was white or real light skin .. Timothy came to mind but again he was mixed. with jew and greek.

below is the link for Jews in ethiopia, there are many that are spread out all over the world. only today Isreal has a European face because all the european jews went back to Isreal.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ejhist.html