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    Point well made Mods.

    That statement should NEVER have been made. It shows how little regard is placed on the lives of people.

    I wonder if 'God Forbid' a police killing takes place in his constiuency what his reactions would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch_Angel View Post
    He has a point there bernie.

    Similarly, anything I post in the capacity as a moderator, will be viewed as the opinions of the administration of the site. While each person is responsible for their own postings.

    Being part of an organization, as BCK said, unless they say, they are NOT speaking on behalf of the organization they are working with, everything said is considered the opinion of the administration of that organization.
    There is hypocrisy in here (but I don't expect him to admit). I can't remember anyone from the previous admin. ever say such stupid things, but their actions followed suit. there were numerous police killings that were never investigated, and the officers were never charged or even fired under their watch. Yet, I can't remember once that BCK post about a sad day under 'Portia's bruises'. That's hypocrisy.
    I am not advocating for this admin. The man said some stupid and senseless things and I was mad just as anyone else, but for some people this was just another reason to persue an agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    There is hypocrisy in here (but I don't expect him to admit). I can't remember anyone from the previous admin. ever say such stupid things, but their actions followed suit. there were numerous police killings that were never investigated, and the officers were never charged or even fired under their watch. Yet, I can't remember once that BCK post about a sad day under 'Portia's bruises'. That's hypocrisy.
    I am disappointed in you bernie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    The man said some stupid and senseless things and I was mad just as anyone else, but for some people this was just another reason to persue an agenda.
    What is your agenda bernie? The only reason you would not want to see Nelson's statements for what they were, is if you had an agenda which would benefit from letting his comments slide.

    Because I call a spade a spade and speak out against a govt. Minister who stupidly uttered offensive and disgraceful comments about the citizens he is supposed to serve and protect, I am a PNP supporter with an agenda? Good grief people! WAKE UP!

    It is not the first time that representatives of this administration have made stupid, reprehensible utterances at official functions.
    Mr. Warmington had told Old Harbour residents that if they did not vote for the JLP, they would not receive hurricane-relief cheques.

    Member of Parliament for South Central St. Catherine, Sharon Hay Webster, wants the House of Representatives to establish an ethics committee to consider "appropriate action" against the two state ministers who made the alarming comments recently.

    Mrs. Hay Webster, in a motion to the House yesterday, urged her colleagues to sanction both Montague and Warmington for their "reprehensible" utterances.

    She said their statements indicate an intention to misuse public funds to induce electors, which constituted a breach of the laws of Jamaica.

    Mr. Montague expressed regret for remarks he made on December 2, when he told residents of Portland that their roads would not be repaired if they did not vote for a JLP councillor.
    Read more.

    If this govt. can't keep it's ministers from saying stupid things in public, then they need to step down. How can you put faith in leaders who display such contempt for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    I am disappointed in you bernie.
    In those posts, your anger was at those cops, not at the govt. or the PM to be exact.


    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    What is your agenda bernie? The only reason you would not want to see Nelson's statements for what they were, is if you had an agenda which would benefit from letting his comments slide.

    Because I call a spade a spade and speak out against a govt. Minister who stupidly uttered offensive and disgraceful comments about the citizens he is supposed to serve and protect, I am a PNP supporter with an agenda? Good grief people! WAKE UP!

    It is not the first time that representatives of this administration have made stupid, reprehensible utterances at official functions.
    Please...and don't twist what I have been saying. I repeatedly said his utterances were wrong, and that I was (as much as everyone else) mad at it. My issue was that you used it as an opportunity to attack the PM, which you never did while the other admin was in power. (I went through as many pages as I could with those links you provided...so maybe I missed suppm).

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    Mr. Warmington had told Old Harbour residents that if they did not vote for the JLP, they would not receive hurricane-relief cheques.

    Member of Parliament for South Central St. Catherine, Sharon Hay Webster, wants the House of Representatives to establish an ethics committee to consider "appropriate action" against the two state ministers who made the alarming comments recently.

    Mrs. Hay Webster, in a motion to the House yesterday, urged her colleagues to sanction both Montague and Warmington for their "reprehensible" utterances.

    She said their statements indicate an intention to misuse public funds to induce electors, which constituted a breach of the laws of Jamaica.

    Mr. Montague expressed regret for remarks he made on December 2, when he told residents of Portland that their roads would not be repaired if they did not vote for a JLP councillor.
    Yes, that was very bad...however....I don't know if you saw this and forgot to mention...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamaica Gleaner
    'No Kern, no water'

    In the recent general election campaign, then Attorney-General A. J. Nicholson asserted that "if you don't vote for Kern [Spencer] you not getting no water". Before the 2003 Local Government Election, former Prime Minister P. J. Patterson warned that those who did not vote for his party would "suck salt through a wooden spoon". So it's pretty hilarious to hear the current demands for resignations from people who said nothing about such matters.
    See more here...

    I am not putting my faith in this government, but I am willing to give them an opportunity to redeem themselves. After all, the other team showed me contempt, for all of 18yrs. I do believe that they have major work to do; major restructuring...and I think Nelson should go. I want the government to work, see their mistakes and correct them. If I have any agenda, that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    In those posts, your anger was at those cops, not at the govt. or the PM to be exact.
    And rightly so. No one from that administration at that time, made any public utterance as offensive and disrespectful to the people of Jamaica as Nelson did.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    Please...and don't twist what I have been saying. I repeated said his utterances were wrong, and that I was (as much as everyone else) mad at it. My issue was that you used it as an opportunity to attack the PM, which you never did while the other admin was in power. (I went through as many pages as I could with those links you provided...so maybe I missed suppm).
    When did I attack Bruce? I asked why is he being so silent on the matter. That is a valid question. He should be publicly denouncing what Nelson said. The fact that he hasn't, speaks volumes about him, and it isn't positive volumes either.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    Yes, that was very bad...however....I don't know if you saw this and forgot to mention...
    So if you're keeping score, that's PNP - 2 bad utterances, JLP 3 - and the 3rd one deserves special weighting for being especially heinous.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    I am not putting my faith in this government, but I am willing to give them an opportunity to redeem themselves. After all, the other team showed my contempt, for all of 18yrs. I do believe that they have major work to do; major restructuring...and I think Nelson should go. I want the government to work, see their mistakes and correct them. If I have any agenda, that's it.
    It is your perogative to support who you support. It's your right. Can't fight you for that. I too have right to voice my opinion, and I will continue to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    And rightly so. No one from that administration at that time, made any public utterance as offensive and disrespectful to the people of Jamaica as Nelson did.
    Oh, so because no one made any utterances as disrespectful as his, then no one could be called out on their irresponsibility and lack of leadership in a time when many Jamaicans felt safer with a gunman that those who vowed to serve and protect? I love your reasoning!

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    When did I attack Bruce? I asked why is he being so silent on the matter. That is a valid question. He should be publicly denouncing what Nelson said. The fact that he hasn't, speaks volumes about him, and it isn't positive volumes either.
    You attacked him when you mentioned him mocking by saying....
    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    I am just another Jamaican suffering under Bruce's bruises
    I also think he should have said something with regards to Nelson's utterances. I also believe the PNP should have openly condemned those many cases of police brutality and unnecessary killings...but they...for the most part....remained mum. Now that was cause for great concern, but I guess you forgot to mention that in your posts you dug up earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    So if you're keeping score, that's PNP - 2 bad utterances, JLP 3 - and the 3rd one deserves special weighting for being especially heinous.
    Please, acting dumb cannot also be apart of your agenda.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    It is your perogative to support who you support. It's your right. Can't fight you for that. I too have right to voice my opinion, and I will continue to do so.
    Yep, I totally agree. I wonder though, since you so want this current admin to step down...who would you put in there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    Oh, so because no one made any utterances as disrespectful as his, then no one could be called out on their irresponsibility and lack of leadership in a time when many Jamaicans felt safer with a gunman that those who vowed to serve and protect? I love your reasoning!
    Search the board. I've been calling for accountability for those in authority from long time, and from both sides.
    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    You attacked him when you mentioned him mocking by saying....
    Were you as disturbed when people were openly attacking the previous PM? Since this govt. came in, tax gone up, food gone up, gas gone up, nuff jobs get cut, industries shutting down, more pressure on the health care system, people's promised wage increases haven't been paid, and certain crimes (robbery, theft) have been increasing in frequency. Yes, we're suffering under Bruce's bruises.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    I also think he should have said something with regards to Nelson's utterances. I also believe the PNP should have openly condemned those many cases of police brutality and unnecessary killings...but they...for the most part....remained mum. Now that was cause for great concern, but I guess you forgot to mention that in your posts you dug up earlier.
    I strongly doubt that the govt. remained mum on police brutality. What I am sure about is that the previous administration did not publicly appear to condone those activities, or express the views that the loss of life or negative impacts of the war on crime on the lives of Jamaican citizens is "collateral damage" for which the police should not have to pay if they were the cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    Please, acting dumb cannot also be apart of your agenda.
    Is it a part of yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    Yep, I totally agree. I wonder though, since you so want this current admin to step down...who would you put in there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    Search the board. I've been calling for accountability for those in authority from long time, and from both sides.
    no sah, your job dat.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    Were you as disturbed when people were openly attacking the previous PM? Since this govt. came in, tax gone up, food gone up, gas gone up, nuff jobs get cut, industries shutting down, more pressure on the health care system, people's promised wage increases haven't been paid, and certain crimes (robbery, theft) have been increasing in frequency. Yes, we're suffering under Bruce's bruises.
    I wonder when the PNP took over the country 18yrs ago, what the economical situation in Jamaica was. I wonder how stable it has been over the yrs, when our neighboring Caribbean countries were growing economically. I wonder if crime was on the decline over those years. And you talk about job losses, food and gas increase and all the other blah blah? well..news flash...it's happening world wide. However, I don't need to tell you what's happening around us now. Before we had this crazy recession, the previous admin wasn't able to keep our dollar relevant, nor stem crime, nor secure our jobs. Unless, of course, there is another Jamaica I don't know about.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    I strongly doubt that the govt. remained mum on police brutality. What I am sure about is that the previous administration did not publicly appear to condone those activities, or express the views that the loss of life or negative impacts of the war on crime on the lives of Jamaican citizens is "collateral damage" for which the police should not have to pay if they were the cause.
    You strongly doubt? so you are not sure? Well if they did, wouldn't you, the ultimate watchman know? Oh...I suppose someone would have had to make a statement with the phrase "collateral damage" attached to it before they could be held accountable.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
    Is it a part of yours?
    Naw you can keep it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCK
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    Well good luck wid him....wonder what im cabinet would be like....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    no sah, your job dat.
    No berns. You need to do a little more than make wild accusations without evidence. Go do some research first.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    I wonder when the PNP took over the country 18yrs ago, what the economical situation in Jamaica was. I wonder how stable it has been over the yrs, when our neighboring Caribbean countries were growing economically. I wonder if crime was on the decline over those years. And you talk about job losses, food and gas increase and all the other blah blah? well..news flash...it's happening world wide. However, I don't need to tell you what's happening around us now. Before we had this crazy recession, the previous admin wasn't able to keep our dollar relevant, nor stem crime, nor secure our jobs. Unless, of course, there is another Jamaica I don't know about.
    Jamaica's problems did not start 18 years ago. The JLP did its part to wreck the country when it was in power. Go ask your parents. Do some research. None of the parties hands are clean. It was Seaga's govt. that started off the debt headache our children's children will have to deal with. Read this
    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    You strongly doubt? so you are not sure? Well if they did, wouldn't you, the ultimate watchman know? Oh...I suppose someone would have had to make a statement with the phrase "collateral damage" attached to it before they could be held accountable.
    You're getting silly now bernie. The fact that you don't know of it doesn't mean that it never happened. I'm sure I have heard PNP politicians speak out against police brutality.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    Naw you can keep it.
    Never had it to begin with. That idea originated with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernie
    Well good luck wid him....wonder what im cabinet would be like....?
    I dunno, but Jamaica need a change now. Mek wi give him a chance and si how goes nuh? After all, ah nuh dat mentality bring this JLP govt. in power? After now seeing the Epic FAIL they've brought to the table, why not give a new guy a chance? We just want something different now.
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