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    nuhsenutten is right unfortunately. Signing a declaration means nothing if the entire system is corrupt. It's just like the greek philosopher Thrassymachius wrote: "The law favours those in power". When I see some political heads rolling, then I'll look up.

    But this is OUR fault. You want to tell me that the same idiots are being voted in OVER and OVER and OVER again for the last 16 years? How could we Jamaicans be so utterly DUMB?! I so need to leave this country. I'm almost ashamed to be a Jamaican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenocrates
    But this is OUR fault. You want to tell me that the same idiots are being voted in OVER and OVER and OVER again for the last 16 years? How could we Jamaicans be so utterly DUMB?! I [I
    so[/I] need to leave this country. I'm almost ashamed to be a Jamaican.
    there's still good reasons to b proud of our country...since ive been born ive never seen a change in govornment............change is good
    dem call me hot steppa .....mudera!

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    @ nuhsehnuttin, i believe it is a start, and i think that the declaration is legally binding. with the business leaders pressuring them and hardcore christians praying for our country, it may just be the rite move. i can see where u going. U fed up ah di gov'ment like all ah wi and maybe u've seen too many failed initiatives. Fo real, i feel u...

    i've been pessimistic about our government and nihilistic for too long so for ME, maybe optimism will prove fruitful...i trust that something good's gonna come out of this process, not so much just the declaration, but whatever process will happen afterward.
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    We were under better financial governance under the JLP regime. Inflation never became the problem it has since PNP took power. The same can be said of the exchange rate. I remember when it was 5 Jamaican to 1 US at one point. The PNP people have blown this thing dreadfully out of proportion...then again, I digress. The JLP lost power out of their own doing. I bet they must have been everyday since that fateful evening in 1989.

    I'd like to see a new party take power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenocrates
    We were under better financial governance under the JLP regime. Inflation never became the problem it has since PNP took power. The same can be said of the exchange rate. I remember when it was 5 Jamaican to 1 US at one point. The PNP people have blown this thing dreadfully out of proportion...then again, I digress. The JLP lost power out of their own doing. I bet they must have been everyday since that fateful evening in 1989.

    I'd like to see a new party take power.
    Actually this is a common mistake that ppl make when they claim the government is responsible for the devaluation of the dollar. Once we have a system where we deregularise our foreign exchange then the dollar as to go according to the market demand and supply along with import and export. We cannot blame the government alone for this problem.

    The ppl of Jamaica are also to be blamed for much of the problems we face. Jamaicans do not understand the pressure they put on the dollar with their need for foreign goods, especially since we are not exporting enough to cover the need for foreign exchange. I can remember when Michael Manley talked about using what we have and reducing our need for foreign goods but too many ppl cried communism. They allow the good old USA to spread their propaganda through Edward Seaga, a typical tactic they commonly use with any country that goes against what they want (eg. Iran, Guatemala, etc.) However, this is for a different topic.

    To continue, the mistake was made when the JLP decided to deregulate the system. In fact when the JLP took over the dollar was JA$2 - US$1. Bu the time he left office our national debt had tripled, the unemployment rate at over 25% and the inflation rate in the double digits.

    If we had stuck to our guns like Barbados did we would not be faced with a highly devalued dollar. However, Barbados does not export as much as we do. They earn their foreign exchange primarily from tourism and offshore banking. China for example dollar needs to be revalued but they won’t do it because they have a huge export sector which helps to offset import. Jamaica neither has the kind of tourism and offshore banking (we do not have any offshore banking) that Barbados has nor do we have the kind of big manufacturing sector China has, so we are between a rock and a hard place.

    Another unfortunate problem is that too many manufacturers (they were the ones who call for deregularisation) do not spend enough on research and technology to come up with more innovative means of lowering production cost, so they fought for a lower dollar which would help to attract foreign buyers. On top of all of that is the fact that many of them deposit their earnings out side of Jamaica, which is also not good for the country.

    I think what we need to focus on doing is get rid of crime and build our tourism industry, while trying to stabilize the dollar. Say what you will about the PNP and Omar Davis, but one good thing they have done since taking office is trying to build our FX NR as well as bring down the loan portfolio. It’s not an easy task and one which requires us to tighten our belt so to speak.

    In addition to that, they have seriously made some strides with road works, something that is need if we expect foreigners to come in and invest. They also made a significant impact with housing…eg Portmore. We can thank Michael Manley for his close friendship with former Venezuelan President which is how they got the funding for those housing.

    Finally, I have to say that while the government is not the best we have and we need to weed out the bad eggs, Jamaicans must share much of the blame for the mess the country is in. A free market system cannot work everywhere, we have to develop a system that works for our country and not allow ourselves to be forced into doing what the USA/IMF tells us to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenocrates
    We were under better financial governance under the JLP regime. Inflation never became the problem it has since PNP took power. The same can be said of the exchange rate. I remember when it was 5 Jamaican to 1 US at one point. The PNP people have blown this thing dreadfully out of proportion...then again, I digress. The JLP lost power out of their own doing. I bet they must have been everyday since that fateful evening in 1989.

    I'd like to see a new party take power.



    Bwoy XENO....

    Trust mi....you and me both. Not because I'm a Labourite....but because one party has been messing up the country for so long so I want some one else at the helm for a change.

    You ask why the government is still in power? Two reasons:

    One: People who are complaining are doing nothing but complaining. They aren't voting.

    Two: The few that will actually vote....the government uses tax payers money to give them houses, food and all sorts of gifts and promises right before election and sway them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenocrates
    I'd like to see a new party take power.
    If a different party takes over, and the same mentalities and practices persist (as they typically do despite govt. changes in the past), then there will be no improvement. Both parties have been involved in dirty dealings. Both parties have done their fair share of mismanagement.
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    AK

    Thanks for widening the scope. I admit that it is difficult to see the good that they have done given the current crisis in which they have found themselves. It's hard for me to relate to them in a positive way - especially with this ridiculous crimewave which they seem to have a direct hand in. I won't lie to you, I didn't know the entire picture until now. But, to think that people, particularly children, have died brutually in a cascading effect of corruption from the top, has really led me to be completely disgusted with them as a political institution. It's like all the good things they've done, is marred by the grotesqueries of the life they've helped create for many.

    Manu

    I'm neither Socialist nor Labourite. The JLP has shot themselves in their own foot. They did that pre 1989. The Zinc Scandal in 1988 where Gov't officials were given preference for zinc distribution after Hurricane Gilbert ravaged the country put the final nail in their coffin. Furthermore, I remember going home from school one day, on North Street (I went to St. George's College), and I saw Mr. Seaga in a red Lada motor car, with 3 other thugs toting AK-47's and ballot boxes in their laps.

    That image is forever burned into my psyche. I will never forget it.

    I lost all respect for the JLP since then - even though they had the country under better financial runnings. I don't support any political movement that has ties with criminals - let alone stuffing ballot boxes on election day. I think it's lame and inevitably self destructive - irrespective of who's in power.

    BCK

    I was referring to a party OTHER than the JLP and the PNP. Notice I said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenocrates
    The JLP lost power out of their own doing. I bet they must have been everyday since that fateful evening in 1989.
    That fateful evening referred to what I described above to Manu. They were photographed by news reporters further down the road. I was close to the Jamintel building (now Cable & Wireless) where I waited for a 30 bus to get to HWT. Trust me BCK, I'm sick of both of them now.
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    fateful evening in 1989...i was prolly still drewling all over myself. how old were u then XENO? i'm sorry to go off topic.

    Ive just been hearing alot of this from my parents and high school teachers, i know nuthin of the political climate those times, so is pure hear-seh i know. cant seem to find good articles either...
    People who are complaining are doing nothing but complaining. They aren't voting.
    Im just bearly voting age...but i dont see a soul to vote for. For the past 16 yrs, im sure older folks been saying the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenocrates
    BCK

    I was referring to a party OTHER than the JLP and the PNP. Notice I said:
    Which party would that be? I hear what you're saying, but I still maintain, that even if there was a viable third party, with the existing system of garrison politics and corruption, I doubt there would be much improvement.
    Trust me BCK, I'm sick of both of them now.
    I hear you man. I've been sick of them all for some time now. As a Christian, it is frustrating to see people put so much faith in them, and literally kill themselves over/for them in the hopes of getting a handout, when no real solution can be gained from that. People put their faith in the wrong beings. Only God has the power to save us. Politicians cannot do it.
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