Passa Passa has 'no place in Grenada'

[nuhsenutten]

man i c a video ...a dvd as a matter a fact ...and the camera man walk pass a woman ......ask if the woman nuh hold on pon di man and draw him back and she then proceeded to unzip her pants and expose her pantiless crotch .....

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Stop right there.
It is very apparent that you nothing of the history of Trinidad Carnival.
You need to be educated- so I will educate you. In the 17th century carnival started in the form of slaves holding private celebrations to mock their masters and generally have fun while doing it. They would dress up in elaborate costumes. Note elaborate. E.g "Dame Loraine", "The three Minstrels" a.k.a. ole time mas.
Trinidad Carnival never started with anybody half-naked at all and remained so for many, many years. It is only within the past three or four decades that some carnival costumes have evolved into something resembling the raunchy Brazilian Carnival costumes.
Furthermore, contrary to your generalized statement, not all carnival costumes feature half and near naked people. There are many mas players who have taken a stand not to go that route and choose creative costumes that cover the body.

LET US NOT GO AWAY WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT TRINIDAD CARNIVAL HAS BEEN SPORTING HALF-NAKED PEOPLE FROM LONG TIME AGO.

PLEASE BE ADVISED!!!

Point me to where I said that "all carnival costumes feature half and near naked people". Regardless of the origin, the reality is that many lewd acts are commited at Trinidad carnival, and other carnival and carnival like events across the Caribbean these days. Passa Passa does not have the monopoly on that. Soca fetes have the same kinds of antics going on.

It is a well established debate about the hypocricy surrounding lewdness at Carnival and Soca events as compared with what goes on in dancehall events. It's the same wining, gyrating, flesh baring and sex-simulation, but they are being carried out by people from different aspects of the society (at least in Jamaica). More condemnation tends to be placed on the dancehall events while the carnival and soca events are viewed in more favourable light.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I don't believe the Minister was talkin bout the carnival type thing or dressin half-naked, she was referrin to copyin the "showin the punnany" part of it, tho it always have some extremely loose/crazy person in carnival that'll go naked. But since passa passa has gotten the most recognition when it comes to street parties/dances and has been so popular region-wide and prolly international (i don't kno), that's where the "slackness" is being copied from.

But Passa Passa is a very recent street dance event in Jamaica. Carnival been going on for decades. Isn't it more plausible to say that if anything was being copied, it was carnival? Besides, this thing of "flashing" the camera isn't even originated by Passa Passa. People been doing that since cameras have been around.

[acidblade]

passa passa a follow trinidad carnival

[Babyjay]

But Passa Passa is a very recent street dance event in Jamaica. Carnival been going on for decades. Isn't it more plausible to say that if anything was being copied, it was carnival? Besides, this thing of "flashing" the camera isn't even originated by Passa Passa. People been doing that since cameras have been around.

What I'm sayin is that passa passa was the street dance that started the whole flashin the camera thing here in grenada and puttin it pon DVD. It neva use to happen here b4. Thas y she spoke of it referrin to passa passa

[BlackCryptoKnight]

What I'm sayin is that passa passa was the street dance that started the whole flashin the camera thing here in grenada and puttin it pon DVD. It neva use to happen here b4. Thas y she spoke of it referrin to passa passa

Ok, I gotcha. .

[Juliet]

Hold on there...

People in the Caribbean dancing half naked long before the "Passa Passa" street dances ever started. Look how long Carnival in Trinidad going on. And this DVD Girls gone Wild business never originated in Jamaica.
I agree that such things aren't desireable anywhere though.

Please see the above.
I am am referring specifically to the comment made above.
Again, for the benefit of others - Please do not assume that Trinidad Carnival was about dancing half-naked from long time ago

[nuhsenutten]

most ppl who participate in T&T carnival been dancing in skimpy outfits long before passa passa was even being thought about. a couple decades ago the was no passa passa .....no weddy weddy wendsday no hot monday no jiggy friday


y does it (carnival) have to held in easter is the other big question .....y not some other time of year ?

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Please see the above.
I am am referring specifically to the comment made above.
Again, for the benefit of others - Please do not assume that Trinidad Carnival was about dancing half-naked from long time ago

Are there people who dance in the streets while they are skimpily clad (half-naked) and who gyrate (wine) in a sexually suggestive manner in Trinidad carnival?

You said:

It is only within the past three or four decades that some carnival costumes have evolved into something resembling the raunchy Brazilian Carnival costumes.

So by your account, for 30 or 40 years now, Trinidad carnival has had "raunchy" costumes. 30 or 40 years is a long time. So if raunchiness existed in Trinidad carnival for 30 or 40 years, then it's safe to say, that raunchiness has been a part of Trinidad carnival for a long time.

Also, please note that this quote:

People in the Caribbean dancing half naked long before the "Passa Passa" street dances ever started. Look how long Carnival in Trinidad going on.

is not the same as:

...all carnival costumes feature half and near naked people.

[Gillion]

I am not going to read the back and forths between BCK and Juliet ... why ? because I know BCK tends to be close minded and Juliet is on the deffensiv about her culture. Very little can be accomplished when no one is willing to listen and learn.

However, I will say, specifically for Juliet, that the Jamaican perception of Carnival is not an overall positive one.

This is because Carnival in our society represents hypocrasy (sp?) because of the classist behaviour and struggle between the "uptown" and "downtown" folks.

Dancehall and reggae has been often villified by the uptown elite of Jamaica and they preffer to have sessions with lots of Calypso and Soca. As such the "downtown" people tend to villifie Soca and Calypso and mark it off as a representation of OPRESSION !

Several times we see certain "uptown ladies" on National TV jumping mas until their breasts fall out and they don't even bother to stop they just carry on worse ... and the SAME thing happens at PASSA PASSA.

Our local festival and junkanoo was all but destroyed in favour of Carnival that was imported to JA aboute 13 years ago. With the large input of money from the "uptowners" Carnival stayed firm and even managed to beat back the church who protested because it was held close to the holy holidays.

So there is a struggle going on.

As far as I see it ... we do the same thing at Dhall and Carnival, wine waist, but the whole psychological war between the 2 is a waste of time and blatan hypocrasy.

This is why most Jamaicans have this deffensive attitude when topics like this come up.