Imperialist America

[Bahama Mama]

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We all know the addage about power and its inevitable corruption.

Which is why I wouldnt say that America is categorically evil or corrupt. Gross abuse and gross corruption is not a function of America, but rather a function of possessing such a great degree of power as they have at the moment. I dare say that irregarldess of who is at the forefront of global affairs, the addage of power and corruption will more than likely be met. Thing of it is, the power of America is being wielded during a very potent period of scientific and technological advancement, and we know how Science and technology can be abused in the conquest and maintanence of power. Atomic bomb????

I am not trying to excuse America, but I think what is happening now, is nothing more than history on the repeat cycle. History as shown where nations that have possessed great degrees of global power and authority, have eventually become corrupted and eventually been brought down to their knees. America is no different, and it will probably be the same for its successor.

Power in the hands of one or a few is dangerous, because it leads to a gross imbalance between personal good and the greater good.

[Izemi-Clem]

Hail

BM

I would have to disagree with, the fact that the US has clearly stated policies of exploiting and abusing weaker nations (neighbours even) such as their Imperialist and Good Neighbour policies from which they have not recanted or apologised, confirms that it is a function of America.

The abuse of their Central American neighbours which have never posed any military threat (except Mexico in the 19th century) for the benefit of their capitalist machinery as well as the acquisition of the Philippines and Puerto Rico shows their intention is not just to protect what they have to rather to gain more by exploitation, any they will justify doing so by any excuse necessary.

Xenocrates

Any soldier who considers himself to be at war with his enemy will not (should not) find delight in the wanton destruction of non combatants who are not involved in his immediate arena of warfare.
If a soldier or anyone for that matter cannot justify their cause as being a righteous one then it ultimate means that they themselves are corrupt.

Izemi-Clem

[Xenocrates]

So what we have is nothing more than what amounts to corruptors fighting the corrupted over corruption corruptly, huh? Man that's corrupt. But you're right Izemi, the corrupt warriors have yet to prove their point. Neither side is right, and they're beating each other into a bloody pulp.

As far as I'm concerned, American imperialism stems from the high of winning a war over 50 years ago. So America isn't categorically evil, just corrupt. I'm still not seeing the difference.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Revelations 13:11-18 NIV

'Nuff said.

[ramesh]

First Beast = Israel?
Second = USA/UK?
Fire from Heaven = Nuclear Bomb?
Beast wounded yet lived = 9/11 incident?
Mark on Hand = Credit Cards?
Name of the Beast on Credit Card = American Express?

[Xenocrates]

First Beast = Israel?
Second = USA/UK?
Fire from Heaven = Nuclear Bomb?
Beast wounded yet lived = 9/11 incident?
Mark on Hand = Credit Cards?
Name of the Beast on Credit Card = American Express?

- Nope, Nope, maybe, Nope, Nope and Nope!

The Beast of Revelation is a world Government we have yet to see. The United States is most assuredly NOT the beast of Revelation 13. There are too many inconsistencies between the description of the beast in Revelation and that of the United States for them to be a positive ID of this beast. Let's not jump to hasty conclusions. That part of Revelation has yet to be fulfilled. In fact, a good 85% of Revelation not yet been fulfilled. We still have quite a ways to go.

[nuhsenutten]

- Nope, Nope, maybe, Nope, Nope and Nope!

The Beast of Revelation is a world Government we have yet to see. The United States is most assuredly NOT the beast of Revelation 13. There are too many inconsistencies between the description of the beast in Revelation and that of the United States for them to be a positive ID of this beast. Let's not jump to hasty conclusions. That part of Revelation has yet to be fulfilled. In fact, a good 85% of Revelation not yet been fulfilled. We still have quite a ways to go.

so this means that for those who wanted to see the end of the world just pray that God has dish network

[Manu]

Xeno....the lamb-like beast..... the Bison....the American Bison, it's a beast that has horns like a lamb. I'm a bit rusty on my end time prophecies but America does fit the description. The vatican will use them to pressure the rest of the world to comform to the Sunday law and the persecution of those who don't comply.

[AngelsKiss]

As far as I'm concerned, American imperialism stems from the high of winning a war over 50 years ago. So America isn't categorically evil, just corrupt. I'm still not seeing the difference.

Youa re probably right. The truth is that their actions like many other nations are in deed evil. However, I think most ppl including myself probably just shy away from using that word because it is such a strong word. Here is the definition for evil:

e·vil Pronunciation (vl)
adj. e·vil·er, e·vil·est
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

[Xenocrates]

Xeno....the lamb-like beast..... the Bison....the American Bison, it's a beast that has horns like a lamb. I'm a bit rusty on my end time prophecies but America does fit the description.

- America is not the Beast of Revelation because:

1. This beast is a world Government with 7 monarchies (America has 52)
2. This beast will wage war against Christianity (America is built on Christian principles)
3. This beast will openly persecute christians (America supports Freedom of Speech)
4. This beast will rule for 42 months - 3½ years (America has been in power for 230 years).
5. This beast will force all mankind to change over to a commerce scheme that implements a cashless society (No world Government has ever done this).
6. This beast will start World War III shortly after coming into power (So far, no WWIII).
7. This beast will wage WWIII using Nuclear Warfare (So far, no nuclear war has been fought on earth).
8. This beast will be openly anti-christian, and satanic. (No world Government currently is).
9. This beast will be toppled by Christ's return, approximately 3½ years after this government comes onto the world scene. So far, we're still here. So...

...need I say more? America ≠ The Beast

The vatican will use them to pressure the rest of the world to comform to the Sunday law and the persecution of those who don't comply.

- Sunday Law cannot be used to eforce a cashless system of commerce. What are they gonna do, force everyone to only buy and sell on Sunday? This is nothing more than the fallacious propaganda of the SDA movement. It's so terribly flawed that I won't bother to get into it here.

...no offense to any SDA's on the board. It's just not a watertight argument. I'm sorry.